I would love to see one of these at Wigan.

Quote ="FearTheVee"Graham wouldn't "take his place", he'd be far far better. There are several young front rowers who could take his place - he's no more than a Luke Burgess now.'" Except he's not even vaguely a Luke Burgess now www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009

Quote ="FearTheVee"Graham wouldn't "take his place", he'd be far far better. There are several young front rowers who could take his place - he's no more than a Luke Burgess now.'" Except he's not even vaguely a Luke Burgess now www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009

And that's fine, but they're not the same type of player. So if you vacancy fits one, it doesn't quite fit the other.

Quite true, I am not sure having Moi Moi and Feka would work unless one upped their game time.

Oh he is
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Quote ="Steve Ella's Beard"Except he's not even vaguely a Luke Burgess now www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009'" Okay, maybe not the best example - try Keith Mason, Paul Clough, Nick Scruton etc. Point stands that he's a grossly overpaid workhorse who can be replaced fairly easily - especially given his salary. You could get all three of the above for what you're paying him. He's probably on £150k more than even someone like Elima who works just as hard.

Quote ="Steve Ella's Beard"Except he's not even vaguely a Luke Burgess now www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009'" Okay, maybe not the best example - try Keith Mason, Paul Clough, Nick Scruton etc. Point stands that he's a grossly overpaid workhorse who can be replaced fairly easily - especially given his salary. You could get all three of the above for what you're paying him. He's probably on £150k more than even someone like Elima who works just as hard.

Moi Moi plays for 60 mins a game at Parra. He is a far fitter player then the one we were first linked with 18months back and could easily handle a role in the side 'alongside' Feka(who will hopefully be fitter himself).

If Fielden has a solid-ish season and would be prepared to take a huge wage drop on a years deal i'd be tempted to keep him ahead of Coley and try to bring in Moi Moi.

To have 2 workhorses in Fielden and Prescott and 2 explosive wrecking balls in Feka and Moi Moi would be awesome imo.

He's still a quality workhorse prop if your paying him the right money.

We're obviously not but if we could get him to sign a much reduced deal he'd possibly be worth having around the place.

Absolutely agree.

And i think you're bang on the money with that statement. Coley and Fielden are off contract at the end of the season, and they are the props who do the most amount of defensive work by a significant margin. If we want to get rid of both, and sign Moi Moi then the other prop will need to be significantly defensive and Prescott would have to step up his defensive workload by a lot to compensate to.

I really couldn't see anybody working Feka and Moi Moi in the same side unless they had 2 other hugely defensive props, which nobody seems to have.

What I said.

Not really, you were saying there were no younger players who could replace him, there are several IMO.

Moi Moi averages 44 minutes per game for Parra (42nd in the NRL prop table) not 60, he's fitter than he was and fitter than Feka. Fielden probably plays comparable minutes to Moi Moi but puts in close to 70% more defensive work. If Fielden was putting in the minutes he did at Bradford, or hell even the 60 minute mark his defence workload stats would be enormous.

A very interesting set of statistics if you can be bothered doing the analysis is what Fielden's stats look like if he was given a similar amount of carries to the top couple of props.

I'll be interested to see the result if we give him more ball next season.

Thought it was more tbh but thats possibly because I only saw him in the last few games of last season when i'm sure he was playing more minutes then that due to him ripping teams apart.

I think we could manage with 2 workhorse props and 2 explosive short burst props tbh especially given the options we have behind that with Mossop, O'Carroll, Davies ect who could come in and do a job if needs be.

It's all just speculation though. We have a full season to get started yet and alot can happen. We'll hopefully be sat here in a few months time saying we don't need to sign anybody.

It's not just a case of needing a workhorse though, you'd need damn good workhorses (Parra have the tackling machine also known as Nathan Hindmarsh in the 2nd row who helps compensate), ever wonder why other teams don't have the same idea and have e.g. Moi Moi and Feka? because with the money you'd have left cap wise, you couldn't afford 2 props of sufficient quality to compensate for them defensively

Agreed I hope we have a big season for all of our players, it will make next years off season especially spicy

Mossop, O'Carroll and Davies are all other good reasons why we need to consider any signings in the prop department carefully at the end of 2010, and why I'm personally glad we didn't sign a Carl Webb or Shane Tronc now (neither of which were a priority for salary cap and being retained by the NRL club that finished 12th in the NRL)

I'd like to see Fielden back to his best. He was a very good prop - a view which seems to be under attack from many for some reason - its like history is being rewritten. And at even close to his best he'd walk into the England side.

One thing that may help motivate him is how he'd like to be remembered as a player. Had he retired a few years ago we'd all be banging the drum on his behalf, but as it stands he risks being one of those players whose reputation is badly tarnished by his last few seasons.

Physically I think people may be right that putting on a bit of bulk may be a good thing. He perhaps needs to adjust his game to be more 'impact' and less of a Peacock-type role? He's got a decent frame on him and some speed, and should be making a real dent in the defence when he takes the ball up.

Everybody knows about Fielden's history, we're talking about the present and future. He isn't even the best prop at Wigan now, nevermind getting back into the England team.

That's entirely a matter of opinion.

So who is?

Prescott IMO.

I agree & so is Coley.

Feka is a better impact prop too.

Fielden aint that bad, its just his salary that is the problem.

He will be if he keeps progressing imo. I'd say Coley was just about our best prop last season though.

Overall theres improvment in all 4 of our front line props and i'd like to see that from each one of them this year.

Sums everything up pretty much.

He's about a 70-80k a year prop being paid around 200k a season(at a guess).