Absolute rubbish.

Ainscough is a very good prospect but he is nowhere near first team quality YET.

The number of tackles he missed today was frightening, his passing was poor, but he did take a couple of high balls and he was jumping for the ball in the pre-game warm up.

Let's just give him time and space.

Lets get it right here!

Noble Never gave a "Public Outburst!"

He said his time will come and he has a few areas of his game to Work on!

It was the Public outcry on here that turned into something bigger than it ever was!!!!!!!!!!

AND PS

In My Opinion and that of LOTS of fans I talk to it was the RIGHT decision by Noble!

I'd suggest BN is far from a Pillock based on that decision.

I can understand a loss in form in the first team but I don't see why his sudden loss of form has filtered through into his reserve performances. He was blitzing the reserves last year and made a good name for himself in Australia and now suddenly that Sean Ainscough has disappeared. What do you put it down to?

Well I noticed he lost his form quite considerably after the comments from Noble. Coincidence?

I agree that a spell out of the first team is correct but I don't think the comments from Brian Noble after the Wakefield game were appropriate.

Well he looked every inch a first team player when he played in the first team.

So why has he gone backwards?

Dave

See my reply to Rogues.

It was public criticism of one of a young 19 year old winger. He harps on about duty of care but yet I don't see how highlighting his weaknesses publilcally are providing a duty of care.

I agree that a spell out of the first team was the correct decision but the comments from Brian Noble after he had scored four tries against Wakefield weren't. I couldn't imagine any other coach doing that in super league.

A young players confidence is fragile and Ainscough has lost his evidently to the point where he is now putting in sub par performances in the reserves.

What do you put this down to? As DaveO said he looked every bit a first team player prior and during that Wakefield game.

If you restrict asking the question to the Brian Noble fan club I am sure you will get the answer you want. It'd wager if you ask a cross section of fans you and your mates are in a small minority.

He was going fine. There was no reason at all to drop him when he did. He dropped him then had to no choice but to play him again due to injuries. He scores 4 tries in that game and gets dropped right away. There is no way that is good coaching or the correct decision.

Dave

Tell me what those comments were and why they were "Way out of order" ????

Hmmmm you really really don't know Anisy then do you?

He is briming with confidence, the guy is over the moon with playing the amount of first team games he as this year.

The aspects of his game he's working on are the one's covered by Roque further up the topic.

He has not been treated unfairly at all, will I 100% sure he doesn't see it that way!

Well you've ignored the vast majority of my post and quoted me on words I have never said.

It's not so much what Brian Noble said it's the fact that he has drawn attention to the weaknesses of a young player after a fine MOTM performance against Wakefield and since then the lad has not been the same player.

Why can't you give my questions an answer?

And who do you listen to Dave???

Sorry, you dont have to listen to anybody, your right about everything!!!!

Encyclopedias for Sale,in Good condition but selling as Previous owner now knows Everything!

PS

As for the Brian Noble fan club Jibe I think you will find that there are more people who go watching the games and discuss the games in pubs & clubs who don't come on here who have many a Valid Point abouth the game and the club and the ones I talk to don't all want Noble to stay!!!

They just don't try to manufacture criticism of him for their own Ego enhancing purposes!

End of the day, He is a PROVEN and respected coach at international and SL Level and I would guess he knows more about the game in his little toe than you or I will ever know!
That doesnt mean that every decision he makes will be the correct or perfect one. No coach can ever do that, but he's made more right decisions in his time here than wrong ones and doesn't deserve the abuse that some give him.

Good I'm glad he is and I'm glad the moral of the lad has not gone down. But maybe you can answer me then - If he is so full of confidence - How come the poor performances in the reserves?



Again good news if true because I think he was treated unfairly.

He scored four tries against Wakefield and put in an outstanding performance and was dropped the following week.

Karl Pryce was picked against Harlequins over Ainscough - Why? Based on super league performances who has been the better performer? Ainscough and if he was to reward players on merit you would have picked Ainscough.

For the record and from the official site match reaction:

Ainscough got the nod just hours before kick-off and seized his opportunity to race in for a first-ever Super League hat-trick before half-time and added a fourth after the break to take his try tally for the season to 16 in just 10 senior appearances.

"There is no doubt he is a work in progress," added Noble.

"He has got superb prowess. He is strong, quick and knows how to finish but there are other parts of his game he needs to improve."

At the every least coming out with (in public) "There is no doubt he is a work in progress," and "...there are other parts of his game he needs to improve."

was just not called for at all. Not after scoring 4 tries.

Still he could have hardly have dropped him if he had been positive and said he just had a great game could he!

Dave

Because he didn't draw attention to His weaknesses, he said areas of his game that he needs to work on, Doesn't everyone?????

As for confidence??? If he lost it so bad after being dropped (Which Mark1987 soesnt seem to think he has in his post!) then surely that shows that he may not be totally ready in the 1st place to deal with the inevitable knocks he will face at the Top Level.

Top line for me.

Phelps
Roberts
Gleeson
Carmont
Richards

is our best Back line IMHO and if he played that for the next 10 matches and they perform as they have for the last 8/9 matches they have played together then I would leave it that way!!!!

Last 2 x times we lost it wasn't that team as he Had to later it for injuries and Ainscough came in, Wigan Lost, It wasn't All down to him etc etc I am just showing that bringing him in Isn't the Perfect answer to All Wigan's problems that some seem to think!

[i
He's a sportsman, the decision during a game of running left or right, could decide whether you are a hero or a loser that game. He's made a few bad judgements in the last few games and yes missed a few tackles, but look he's jumping for high balls!! Young lads are confident and big headed at times, being told this is what you have to do, sometimes takes time to sink in. I know, I suppose you know that. He's developing nicely, maybe the performance at the minute is because the changes that are currently taking place are on his mind during the game, affecting him. Time and space is needed.[/i



[iYou can not argue that Pryce is 200times the player Ainscough is in defence. Thats why he played.

In the line-up at the weekend, how would you have played the backline involvling Ainscough?[/i

String Noble up at Dawn for that!!!!!!!
Totally unjustifiable!



He changed the team the following week to what he, I and many others think is the best backline options, That's all!

The vitrioal on here by the Noble Haters was what was (Walk the dinosaur!) the "Over the Top" reaction and IMHO created the whole Ainscough can't catch/kick return defend kicks B0ll0x that went on here for the next 4 weeks!!!!!!!!!

Can't it just be as simple that He thinks that the current team is a better option without Ainscough?????

Because we needed a centre not a winger?????? And I would ask who's performances in the reserves over the last 3/4 weeks have meritted him starting at centre last night??? Pryce or Ainscough?????

I think the answers pretty obvious!

Your tripping over yourself here. Yes everyone does have areas in their game to improve on but doesn't that make it more ridiculous and inappropriate to say it? Why single out Ainscough?



No it doesn't because he proved in his impressive displays in the first half of the season that he was ready for super league. He faced a couple of knocks, as you put it, against Huddersfield at home (2 knock ons I think) and bounced back with a fantastic performance against Wakefield.

It's only been since the comments from Noble publically and dropping him the following week that Ainscough has lost his form and the impression I get is his confidence as well.



Yeah but we didn't have that backline till Gleeson signed did we?

I agree with your point - If Roberts can build on last week and they all remain fit then yes I would stick with that back line because Ainscough looks a totally different player from the one we saw at the beginning of the season.



If your referring to me with that last sentence when have I said "bringing him in is the perfect answer to Wigans problems". I have never suggested this in the slightest.

But back on point the last 2 times we lost we changed it due to injuries and Ainscough came in. Did you not see the contrast in performances from Ainscough then to the ones at the beginning of the season? What do you think the reason is for this then?

No not really because there is usually a reason why a player is not playing well.

I don't think it's as simple as "he's just not playing that well" I believe there is a reason behind it and I thought the whole point of this debate was to discuss why. I believe it has been the public comments from Noble after a four try display against Wakefield and failing to stand by him the following week and dropping the lad because since then his performances have gone down hill in the first team and of a more greater concern the reserves.



I'm entitled to my opinion and to believe the other argument I have to trust "he knows Ainscough".



Yes we did need a centre but I would have included Ainscough and put Phelps at centre - Richards to Fullback and Ainscough on the wing.

So you again acknowledge that Ainscough has put in poor performances in the reserves and yet you can't find a reason why apart from "he just isn't playing well".

I don't want an argument I want a discussion and a debate. Why do you think his performances have dropped so badly? In particular in the reserves!

I once remember a young lad that's now in the team one year later, scroing 5 tries in a cup game, not playing the following IIRC. Didn't affect him

But if Ainscough was big headed (you should know) then surely a quiet word on the training ground would have been more appropriate?

And you have admitted that young lads are confidence but have suggested this is a bad thing. Confidence is a good thing but it is so fragile and Ainscough has lost it.



I'm failing to understand how going from outstanding performances in the super league. To dire performances in super league and in the reserves is "developing nicely".




I get the impression Karl Pryce is considered lazy?

Even so you can not argue that Ainscough is 200times the player Pryce is in attack and that Ainscough's performances in super league merit a spot over Karl Pryce's performances in super league.



It's not the main point I am trying to make but:

Richards
Roberts
Phelps
Carmont
Ainscough

I don't think he was "That Good" to begin with??? He may very well get better with time and experience etc but he just had one of those Spells were most things went right!

Look at Richards, He's scoring nearly at the same rate on the left now, Maybe it's just good play down that channel over the other?????

Would Ainscough have scored that many on the right????

Main thing is, he's another GB/Wigan lad who is there or therabout for the 1st team, I'm sure in time he will be there most of the time along with Tomkins/Tomkins/Mossop etc, it just takes time!!!!!

Ask Saints how putting too many youngsters in last night affected them!

That's what we did at Celtic and look what happened.

Pryces performances in the reserves deserved a first team chance. He wasn't brilliant last night but for me he did enough to justify another chance next week.

However if Gleeson is fit it may not happen.

That's what Noble get's paid for, not me.

He was thrown into a challenge cup game at home against Whitehaven and was making his Wigan debut.

Ainscough was a good 6/7 weeks after his debut playing week in week out in super league and looking like one of our best players and was out performing our senior players.

The two situations are very different.

And you too have ignored the majority of my post.

The lows after the Highs, He wasn't "That Good" to begin with??, Other coaches finding ways to defend against him better and lots lots more probably!

Would this have happened if he hadn't been "Dropped"???? Don't know????
How would he have coped if he was left in week after week making those mistakes and become a "Scapegoat" like some others???? Dont Know????

He's 19, He'll bounce back if He's good enough!!!!!!

But he wasn't.
Yes he was scoring tries, but he was making BASIC mistakes.
Leeds and Hudersfield were prime examples.

I don't want to crucify the lad, he is an exciting talent, but there are ares of his game that need improving, and by a lot.

Today at the reserves he was jumping for the ball. Little things that will make him a good player, but things that he wasn't doing so obviously he IS being coached.