Much better

He makes a valid point though. Been complaint after complaint on here lately, although the ones about our performances and pack are valid.

I'm not being defensive, I'm calling you out on your BS statement;



I'm in no way saying that things are all sunshine lollypops at the club, but to suggest GW is going to Wire because we've regressed so much in 18 months is laughable - especially when you factor in that you guys have been equally bad.

He's gone for the cash and that's it.

he probably has gone for the cash.

but i'll ask you a straight forward question, Do you feel the team is in a better place now than it was when he left in 2019

Not even my opinions Guy, personally i think some of the complaints are a bit harsh, but i get it, you've got high standards so it's understandable.

Yes I do actually, that doesn't mean I'm happy with where we are at tho. I'd take this side all day over the one in 2019. Same pack + Bateman and the props are 18 months better (but still aren't good enough mind). 19 went out with a whimper to Salford and this one got to the GF.

I don't think you are getting the point I'm trying to make though, or you're just being a troll.

Like I said, there's issues at the club but there's only one side in the league I'd say have their $h!t together more than we do and it isn't Wire. To suggest it's a reason why GW went to you is laughable.

So?

Good luck to the lad. He isn't obliged to sign for us. If i was in his shoes i would do exactly the same. I am a Wigan fan through and through but i wouldn't think twice about having the opportunity to give my family a better life. It's only a game when all is said and done that we can all bicker about.

Correct, and at least he has gone to a club that is challenging for honours also. Had he signed for a mid-table club on the same money (or as you see in football when someone moves to a City or a Chelsea where they will never get a game) then you could question his motives, but he has signed for a good club on a good deal.

Fair enough & that's your choice (& GW's).

I wouldn't and plenty of others wouldn't too. For every mercenary, there's people who've stayed at a single club and turned down big money moves.

It's up to the individual I guess. I'm just bored of the blanket/black and white approach of "it's more money so I'll go there" attitude and inability to see past it.

There's loads of examples of people sticking with the one club, due to loyalty etc. I'm just not sure why people seem to forget about them, or pretend like it doesn't happen?

There are loads yes, but while he is probably on a better deal financially he is also at a club where he could quite easily win things. They've won more than we have since 2018.

We're making it sound like he has turned honours down at Wigan to sign for Leigh.

I'd say it's the opposite. That somehow Wire have morphed into Saints and have dominated the league for the last 3 years.

on the upside, we have another villain to boo in a pantomime style....

And advise him that he once played for a big club

Canberra are a pretty big club to be fair.

I remember every Hull fan slating Tevita Vaikona when he left for Bradford , a year after Steve McNamara had. I was speaking to McNamara at a sportsman's dinner and what he said made perfect sense. RL is a short career, if you're lucky enough to avoid serious injury, and you're looking for another career pretty much from the age of 32 . Nobody can begrudge players maximising the wages they earn during this time, sentiment aside as they generally don't all become coaches and end up retraining for secular employment , outside of the game. All those fans, who speak from their heart disagree with that he said, those that speak with their heads understand, however much they do not like it. Pretty much summed it up for me .

yes, didnt see anyone saying Danson wont invest any money

We werent when Lydon and Hanley came

Fans demand loyalty from players but want rid as soon as a player’s form drops. Loyalty should be a 2 way street but in sport it isn’t. Players are all too aware of this having seen colleagues or even themselves slated by fans of their team live or on social media.

I wonder how many of our supporters who gave him abuse week after week on the terraces are now up in arms for allegedly not coming back to us.

I know a few of em

There may be a number of reasons why Wigan haven't been able to secure GW's signing. One of which may be that we had already agreed deals for our big signings next season (prop + half back) not yet announced. The Mole announced a few months ago that Wigan were in the market for a NRL prop.

I'm not talking about these rumoured signings that have come lately, if there's any truth in these they are likely to be 'top up signings'.

Lets not forget that GW leaving Canberra was a bolt out of the blue, was expected to stay in Aus until 2023 at least.

We'd lost George Burgess at the beginning of the season, Hastings announced he was leaving at the end of this season. Plans were already in place with agents two months ago.

We could simply be just a victim of timing.

Yeah but I abuse every player

I am inclined to agree here. I also believe we won’t know any different if he signs elsewhere and we’ll move on, as we have done already, without him. Plus each player has their worth. Perhaps we didn’t believe he was worth the money Wire were offering, which I can imagine was astronomical.

My only questions to your post would be; why wait to announce it? We knew we were in for a prop weeks ago and props come relatively cheaply - surely that isn’t making it so our budget is so stretched we can’t sign GW?

I can also agree with the point that our recruitment is worrying with 3 Championship quality players allegedly inbound to a club that wants to remain challenging for titles and cups. It’s concerning for me as with the coach we have, the players we have been linked with (if not signed) and the dreadful playing style we have currently; i just can’t believe we’ll be anything other than a 5th-8th place team sooner rather than later if this continues. Far from doom mongering I think some people may need to take their blinkers off and realise the gravity of it.

This isn’t because we haven’t signed GW, even securing his signature I’d still be concerned. Rather the general direction of the club that for my money just appears lost like a ship without a rudder. Some poor recruitment/retention decisions have and are being made which need to be rectified.

Generally the club seem poor in managing the expectations of supporters to the point that it can affect the bottom line in the form of ticket sales. Our recruitment so far has not been impressive and the overall impression is that the club is in some form of managed decline. At the same time Warrington seem to have a blank cheque and the kind of pull that we just cannot manage. Once that decline sets in it takes something major to halt the cycle. Even when we can get decent players to sign they seem to be using us as a stepping stone. A couple of good signings will paper over the cracks but the club needs a rethink from the bottom up.