Ah well let's move on now . Wire still won't win naff all whoever they sign

Don't necessarily agree here. You're talking as a fan where you have a loyalty for life (as I have). For players its employment and a short career at that.

Let's try and take the emotion out of it with an alternative scenario:

You have a good career in Tech, you were employed by Microsoft in the UK and came through their apprenticeship programme giving them five good years. You then decide to have a career gap by going over to Australia for two years with the GF
After 18 months you head back to the UK as the GF is pregnant.

Once back in the UK you receive an offer back at Microsoft for £200k per year which allows you to work locally so you can be close to family and friends. The salary is a little higher than what you previously had. However you also receive a counter offer from Apple UK for £300k per year, same deal.

New start, new baby. What do you do?

It isn't the same tho.

My hypothetical career at Microsoft isn't going to cement my place in history books of tech. I'm not going to create a legacy in a regular job. That's the opportunity for these guys. Do it correctly and be the best and you'll be a Boston, Hanley, Radders etc. Which is better than "remember that GW guy who went to Wire for a bit of cash". As a son, I'd also be more proud of my old man to say "he's a Wigan all time great", than I've got a bit of bob because my old man had a decent job.

There's some things that money can't buy. Listen to Wane talk about going to Leeds (I know he was released by Wigan) and see what actually being passionate about your home town club can do.

He doesn't deserve that stick at all. It's a short career that could end the next time he is tackled. God knows what career prospects he has once he retires, and he may have a wife/kids to provide for as well. No issue at all with him signing for whoever offered the best contract, especially if the difference in offers was large.

Martin Offiah is a grub, could have been a Widnes legend. Went for the £££.
Gary Connolly is a grub, could have been a Saints legend. Went for the £££.
Joe Lydon is a grub, could have been a Widnes legend. Went for the £££.
Ellery Hanley is a grub, could have been a Bradford legend. Went for the £££.

See what I did there?

aaaaah yes - I doff my cap to you, very clever....

In this instance, the company you've left is arguably not as well run as it was when you were there previously, after having been industry leaders shortly before you left

I am bitterly disappointed it looks like he isn’t coming back to Wigan but we move on as a club. Someone else gets the opportunity to prove their worth. He’s a cracking player undoubtedly but it’s not the end of the world him not signing for us again.

If it is for money then fair play to him, it’s a short career and he should be looking to earn as much as he can. I’d do the exact same in all honesty.

But are still better than the other company you're moving to.





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No, not at all.

I'd say they went for opportunities too. All went to the dominant side of the era. The chance to really make a statement in a side the likes of which, no one had ever seen before. I have no issues with guys doing that. It's the equivalent of going to Australia and I support it and understand it when they do.

Let's also go back to your original situation...

If I worked for Microsoft and had opportunity to go to Apple in California I'd have gone. I'd have also told my misses to stick it out, especially if I was getting huge recognition for what I was doing there.

IF I had to move back and had to pick between Microsoft and a new place, lets say Facebook, I'd look at the bigger picture and not just cash. Which organisation promotes from within? Is the CEO a company life man (Radders). What about the managers above me? Have they been headhunted from other places, or given opportunities based off the good work they've done with the business? Do I have a good existing relationship with the chairman? Did he help me pursue my dreams of moving to Apple?

Or maybe it is being well run, they've looked at what they can afford to pay in the current climate, let's not forget Wigan alongside most if not all the clubs asked their playing staff to take a pay cut.
Upsetting the rest of the squad by offering someone mega money may not be the smartest move, especially when every man and his dog realises our front row is what needs strengthening before anything else.

Not strictly true

Also...

Where has this notion somehow come about that Wire is some kind of superior club? If we've regressed since GW left then wtf has happened to Wire? We almost won a GF last year and we've lost one game in the league this year.

If he was going to Saints, I'd understand the argument but he's going to Warrington FFS.

and that is what i was referring to (in part)

That post wasn't me as an opposition fan stirring, that was based off me reading the vibe on here the last 6 -18 months, complaints about management, coaching and recruitment, you can't say i'm wrong in this instance.

Says it all really

Winning the GF at Warrington would make him instantly a Wire legend. We'd probably build him a *** statue!

Winning (another) one or two at Wigan makes him just one of your long list of great players.

If he wants a shot at rugby league immortality, he's got a better chance at Warrington. Meanwhile, he'll be getting paid more than he otherwise would have done.

Again, have you read this board last 6 to 18 months?

I have, but have you read yours?

In the 1.5 years GW has been away, who's regressed more?

on a completely different topic, what does everyone think of danny richardson ?

He's well better than Williams.

If it looked most likely that GW had signed for Wigan, then I'm sure some on our board would claim that Jon Richardson was a better player.

We're just as bad as ever, which is down to having a crap coach who should have been sacked in 2019.

However on here we've got constant complaints re the following

Poor coaching from lam, and performances getting worse (despite getting to a gd and being unbeaten for most of this year)
Poor recruitment, running with a bunch of academy props and other forwards
Poor recruitment in the backs, having to play backrowers at centre, centres at wing (a centre that ppl didn't want recruiting) and then the talk of bringing back players.youve let go deemed to not being good enough.
Not being able to fit both hardaker and French in the side and hampering both (pre injury)
Complaints about key players not making it back from Australia till a couple of weeks before the season starting.
Complaints about retention of constantly injured players
Complaints about lenaghan not spending any money and radlinski's ability yo run a club.

These aren't my opinions, just what I've seen discussed on here. There's zero point being defensive to me, I'm not having a pop.

If your looking on here (or facebook/twitter) and basing your opinions of wigan as a club/team on them then I reckon you need to have a long hard look at yourself.

Went for the beer then.

Williams isnt Wigan standard