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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"But as cobra has pointed out.....it isn't as black and white as that.
Thanks for your input though.'"
You lot will be moaning like hell if Williams doesn't come back to you and you end up signing a cheap replacement and one that is also on more than 75K a season too on your cap
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"It baffles me why people focus so much on cap space. It’s a number you’re allowed to spend up to but if you don’t have the physical funds, you don’t have it. Somebody could tell me I’m only allowed to spend £10,000 a month but it would be pointless them doing that as I don’t have it.'"
EXACTLY!!!!!!!
The likes of Salford and Wakey probably have loads of room on the cap but they can't afford him either.
We usually work up to the cap, but with players wages not counting in full the cap becomes irrelevant and it becomes about the budget. We can probably afford the 75k on the cap but if our wagw bill then becomes 2.5m say then perhaps we can't afford that.
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| Quote ="The Chin's Back"You lot will be moaning like hell if Williams doesn't come back to you and you end up signing a cheap replacement and one that is also on more than 75K a season too on your cap'"
Only if he becomes one of our marquee players, in which case we would potentially be counting more than George's wage on the cap because we are now counting that third player in full.
I would like him back, but trust that IL will have made the correct financial decision for the club.
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| I’d love George back but blow our whole wage structure out the window for him isn’t the way forward.
Warrington have got a great player but when will they learn long term sustained success in rugby league comes from investment and trust in academy prospects?
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| Quote ="NSW"I’d love George back but blow our whole wage structure out the window for him isn’t the way forward.
Warrington have got a great player but when will they learn long term sustained success in rugby league comes from investment and trust in academy prospects?'"
This is my argument aswell, we just throw money about all the time and it's never paid off winning us the Title. I'd be happy with Williams but i know we'll be paying him well over the odds. I'm excited for next year with Powell Coming in as he seems to get the best out of the players he's got rather than throwing money around on big named players.
And i hope he gets our youngsters game time and can develop the Academy further.
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| Quote ="The Chin's Back"Your owner is very wealthy man and he has previously paid over the salary cap levels due to the various dispensations allowed to the Wigan club
Clearly it's not the 75K allowance that would count against Williams is it not ?
Clearly it's his asking value that's paid into his bank account before choosing his UK club to return to and irrespective if it was a figure that would be at full value on that clubs salary cap?
I'd hazard a guess that you would pay far more on your cap and also in salary over 3 seasons If Wigan sign an Aussie Half Back rather than should you sign Williams for 10 seasons'"
I'm not sure Lenegan is a wealthy man any more - it's certainly not how he's run the club the last few years and certainly not in comparison to the backers in Warrington.
What we pay Williams on the Salary Cap is irrelevant - and yes I believe this would be £75k a year due to his home-grown dispensation.
If we can't afford to pay him £300k+ a year (or whatever Warrington have offered him) then we can't afford it.
Any 'Aussie Half Back' signings we do make will be freebies I'm sure.
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| Quote ="CobraCraig"You do the maths, how is our second highest earner “so called”? Are you saying our team all earn the same amount?
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Our top 2 earner are Hastings on 300k and French on 250k, Williams comes in on 350k, yes he will only count 75k on the cap but you will lose 100k marquee dispensation on French so the signing will cost the club 175k against the cap not 75k.'"
I thought Bateman came back as a marquee?
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| Quote ="The Chin's Back"Hastings is going to Wests so their for his £175 K salary would be replaced by Williams' £75 K on the cap?
Is that not cheaper?'"
Those were just hypothetical figures but if Hastings is a marquee player and we replace with Williams, yea we’d be 75k better off on the cap but that’s next year.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"I thought Bateman came back as a marquee?'"
I was just making a hypothetical point, but you can replace French with Bateman, my point is our second highest earner would go from counting 75/150k against the cap to their full wage counting against the cap if we made GW our top earner.
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| Quote ="P-J"I'm not sure Lenegan is a wealthy man any more - it's certainly not how he's run the club the last few years [uand certainly not in comparison to the backers in Warrington[/u.
What we pay Williams on the Salary Cap is irrelevant - and yes I believe this would be £75k a year due to his home-grown dispensation.
If we can't afford to pay him £300k+ a year (or whatever Warrington have offered him) then we can't afford it.
Any 'Aussie Half Back' signings we do make will be freebies I'm sure.'"
Danson is probably worth more than both put together
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| Quote ="Pieman"Danson is probably worth more than both put together'"
Irrelevant though if he won't put his hand in his pocket
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Irrelevant though if he won't put his hand in his pocket'"
who has said he wont? He has already put his hand in his pocket to buy the shares....
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| Quote ="Pieman"who has said he wont? He has already put his hand in his pocket to buy the shares....'"
Have you read this thread?
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| If its a case of simply not being able to fit his salary into the cap for next year (with other players already having agreed contracts etc...) then thats fair enough. If its a case of not paying him because we cant afford it/dont want to spend the cash then it is quite worrying
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| Bored of this now ... not reading anymore unless he's a wigan player
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| Quote ="[Gareth"If its a case of simply not being able to fit his salary into the cap for next year (with other players already having agreed contracts etc...) then thats fair enough. If its a case of not paying him because we cant afford it/dont want to spend the cash then it is quite worrying'"
I kinda get what you're saying, but I can't disagree enough.
GW has two values. One that he's worth and one that Wire want to pay. If they've paid over the odds for him, then why should we be stupid enough to go to that?
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| Quote ="JIMMY MAGNETS"Bored of this now ... not reading anymore unless he's a wigan player
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper" I kinda get what you're saying, but I can't disagree enough.
=#FF0000GW has two values. One that he's worth and one that Wire want to pay. If they've paid over the odds for him, then why should we be stupid enough to go to that?
I agree, but there's also a third one, the one that Wigan think he's worth. I saw one person quote that Williams had been offered £100K per season more from Wire than Wigan.
If that's the case than I wouldn't blame him at all for taking the offer, and I certainly won't blame Wigan for failing to match it.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"I kinda get what you're saying, but I can't disagree enough.
GW has two values. One that he's worth and one that Wire want to pay. If they've paid over the odds for him, then why should we be stupid enough to go to that?'"
As a Warrington fan I can’t disagree with the above.
I would love to see Williams sign for us, and if that happens I do expect us to pay significantly more than he’s actually worth. But then there is a shortage of quality half-backs and he’s both British and young enough. That means he won’t jump at the first chance because he doesn’t settle in the UK like some NRL players do, and also we’ll get the best years of his career. So if we have to pay a bit more than we would have done 5 years ago so be it.
The key to all this is whether Powell can get all the key players performing to their best each week, something that no Warrington coach has done since 2013.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"
I agree, but there's also a third one, the one that Wigan think he's worth. I saw one person quote that Williams had been offered £100K per season more from Wire than Wigan.
If that's the case than I wouldn't blame him at all for taking the offer, and I certainly won't blame Wigan for failing to match it.'"
It would be interesting to know which value was higher i.e did Wire go above what GW expected?
This won't be a popular opinion, but I can't disagree more with the point about GW taking Wires offer. Imo GW is the lowest of the low for this move. He's $h!t on a club that's done right by him, all to chase £££. Loyalty and legacy are dead in RL and people wonder why players get stick.
I can name you loads of players who turned down more lucrative offers to stay at their original club and became legends. SOL had opportunities to move, but stayed. Cam Smith turned down big pay options to finish his career in QLD, but didn't want to play against the Storm.
GW is an absolute grub imo.
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| The other point is that allegedly in this move Austin will go to Leeds, so 2 of our rivals (although Leeds are more mid-table) are strengthened whilst we have an injury crisis.
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us maybe, leeds (after having watched austin for 2 n a bit years) not so much
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"us maybe, leeds (after having watched austin for 2 n a bit years) not so much'"
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