Manfredi out again for a month, time to get rid of the lad, I don’t mean to be harsh but I’m sick to death of reading about him getting another injury, bloke is a liability quite frankly

Quote ="KingRoss11"Manfredi out again for a month, time to get rid of the lad, I don’t mean to be harsh but I’m sick to death of reading about him getting another injury, bloke is a liability quite frankly'" I suppose he will be judged on the performances when he does play. Yes he's injured again with a hand injury that's totally unrelated to anything gone previous. If he can get through most of this season in form and scoring without further injury then the club will judge him on that. It says in the link below that he's out of contract in November so a 'make or break' (pardon the pun) season for him: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... e/46288804

Quote ="KingRoss11"Manfredi out again for a month, time to get rid of the lad, I don’t mean to be harsh but I’m sick to death of reading about him getting another injury, bloke is a liability quite frankly'" I suppose he will be judged on the performances when he does play. Yes he's injured again with a hand injury that's totally unrelated to anything gone previous. If he can get through most of this season in form and scoring without further injury then the club will judge him on that. It says in the link below that he's out of contract in November so a 'make or break' (pardon the pun) season for him: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... e/46288804

It's undoubtedly frustrating, but at the same time completely unrelated to the rest of his injuries. I'd put it down to bad luck Vs his being a liability.

Looks like we're up against it, but that's sport really. You could probably argue the need for some extra cover, but with Gildart, French, Field and Dom all new additions to the injury/unavailable list it's just bad luck.

I wonder if Hankinson has a recall clause?

I suspect we will offer him a deal financially linked to his number of appearances. Not quite PAYP but not quite a starting wingers wage either.

We have plenty of back up and money should be spent in the front row for me and we may potentially need a new FB or HB depending on what happens so going out signing a new top level winger would be last on my list of wants.

YES!

If French/Field/Manfredi/Marshall/Gildart all miss the start of the year I’d reluctantly but our marquee back rower in the centres.

Hardaker
Hanley
Bateman
Isa
Bibby
Hastings
Tommy
Singleton
Powell
Partington
Farrell
Smithies
Havard

Bullock
Clark
Clubb
Sharrocks

Hopefully French is back and fit then hardaker centre bateman backrow smithies bench.

Not ideal, should have kept Hankinson.

Genuine question, as I don't have a clue, but can you do that in a SC sport?

Imagine if you agreed a deal of a base salary + extra money linked to his number of appearances, say £100k was the max he could earn for arguments sake, but he got injured with 50% of the season left. In theory there's £50k left to bring in cover for the rest of the season.

If that cover then got injured and Dom was back to full fitness with a couple of games left (like 201icon_cool.gif there wouldn't be enough room to pay him the appearance part of the deal. In theory he'd have a base salary, but the extra money to cover those appearances might not be there. We'd potentially have a fit winger, who's getting paid but we can't play him.

Saved me typing that team out. I was just about to say I see no choice but to run with a real workmanlike team in the first couple of rounds if all the backs doubtful are out. I’d probably put Harry Smith or Liam Byrne in for Clubb but other than that I think that side is our best chance of getting a couple of wins on the board.

In the longer term I hope Manfredi’s injury is just a little gee up for the management that we’re likely to need some cover in that position. It’s been clear to see for most people on here that it’s an area that could be a problem from a depth perspective. Two areas need attention-depth in the outside backs and a quality starting prop is needed. It was good to hear Lam say those are the two positions he’s looking at.

The cap would have to be counted for him playing every game, but I wasn't suggesting PAYP, more that we would reduce his salary despite him being our possible starting winger.

Depends if he'd sign that. I know he's had his injuries but I think most SL clubs would still be interested if he became available. I haven't really kept track of how much of it is the same injury recurring and how much is bad luck. I've got in the back of my mind that at least some of it was unrelated injuries (plus obviously the current hand injury).

That would be the risk I suppose, but every contract renewal carries that.

Do we keep him on a 1st choice salary and then he ends up out for half of it leaving us short elsewhere perhaps or do we attempt to reduce the salary based on the risk of injury and keep him?

There will be plenty of examples of players leaving and never being injured again but then there are probably the same number of examples of signing a player and him never playing.

I think he's a top player and be wanting to keep him, but those injuries would be inthe back of my mind when looking at the numbers and other places we may be able to spend money.

Hopefully he answers them all this season by playing 90% of it and being at the top of his game

Do we know how long KPP is out for? Not saying he's the answer to our prayers but if we are staring down the barrel of having Isa and Bateman in the centres he's got to come into consideration of he's back in time.

Bad news and as I've said previously the first month of the year will likely be challenging. Hopefully we can scrape some wins and then really get going in mid April. The main concern is the Challenge Cup game which takes place the week after round 2 I think. Hopefully all will be back by then but there will be a lot of rustiness in the team.

The only saving grace with Manfredi is that a thumb injury won't prevent him from working on his fitness and he'll be able to work around it in the weights room.

Yeah true. All depends on his medical status and who else is available. If the same injury is likely to re-occur then I'd only be offering him a low contract, and let him take up someone's cap space if they want to accept the risk and pay more. If it is different injuries or they think they have it all sorted then what has happened previously doesn't really matter. I don't know who else will be available either, we have done well over the last decade with being able to produce first team wingers so we don't have to sign any and probably underpay for them. I don't think Hanley or Halsall look good bets for a regular starting wing spot next year, and Bibby is better suited to centre, so we would need to be bringing someone in if he went.

At least with Manfredi it's nothing to do with his knees, more concerned about Gildart.
If French does make it back (and as far as I'm concerned family comes first) he goes straight in and that takes a lot of pressure off.

I think all the signs point to Field starting his time at Wigan at fullback until Bevan gets back. If one of them is available for round 1 it would free up Zak for the backline and make things a lot easier. I personally would consider playing him on the wing but I doubt that will happen.

It would be interesting to know how long they anticipate Bevan to be away for and how long Gildart might be out for. Any longer than a month and I'd be looking at recalling Hank (if possible of course).

Phil Wilkinson tweeted that Hankinson could be recalled as his loan period started Jan 1st.

We never seem to recall loan players but I would be doing here. I've been vocal about how easy that Leigh game will be but we probably have enough players missing to make it a concern now.

i suppose there are a number of factors to consider, over and above, we need a player for week 1,2 or 3

If we recall, can he actually go back to London for the rest of the season once we get our 1st team players back?
If we recall, whilst it helps us out in the short term with injuries, will he be sat on the bench for the rest of the season, if he cant go back to London (think we all know that answer)?

whilst he is a specialist back / centre, and given that he hasnt really cemented a 1st team spot, will it benefit him being brought back? If he then cant play for the rest of the season, what is the benefit of bringing him back? In this circumstance, the only way i would personally recall him is if the club knows that the injuries are long term, and those players are unlikely to play any of the season. He isnt a young kid coming through the ranks and at 27 i am assuming he wants game time and a 1st team spot at whichvever club he is at?

I don't get where this theory that he couldn't be loaned back out to London (or elsewhere) all season if we recall him comes from. Is this some rule I've missed?

i dont know i was asking a question. Can he be loaned back if he is recalled? i genuinely dont know.

if he can go back then all well and good, and as a short term fix it would work for us, but may cheese london off slightly

if he cant, then i personally think for his sake, he needs to stay out on loan as doing nothing more than bench warming isnt going to help his career

Unless you know otherwise I'd have thought it would end the current loan agreement but can't see why they couldn't just negotiate sending him there again if London still want him, or sending him to another club if they don't. It's not ideal messing London and Hankinson about, and we don't want a reputation for doing it or other clubs won't loan players off us, but I'm sure all concerned will be able to look at our injuries and see that our hand was forced.

Had a good game today kick 4 from 4.