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| Quote ="moto748"Well, you joke, but plenty seriously claim we'd be better off with no 40/20s, corner flag coming into play for try-scoring, and winter rugby on mud-heaps.'"
40/20s reward poor offence and penalize great defence
Corner flags make flying tries more spectacular due to the skill factor that's needed not to touch the flags
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| Quote ="The Whiffy Kipper"40/20s reward poor offence and penalize great defence
Corner flags make flying tries more spectacular due to the skill factor that's needed not to touch the flags'"
40/20s encourage fast rugby. They were introduced to stop wingers and full backs allowing the ball to roll out of play and slowing the game down. Any rule that speeds the game up is a positive.
I’d go further and say if the ball is kicked dead from within the 20m zone the the restart is on the 20m line. However if the ball is kicked dead from outside the 20m line, the defending team restarts with a tap from where the ball was kicked. That would encourage teams to keep the ball in play more and speed the game up even more.
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| Quote ="Bigredwarrior"40/20s encourage fast rugby. They were introduced to stop wingers and full backs allowing the ball to roll out of play and slowing the game down. Any rule that speeds the game up is a positive.
I’d go further and say if the ball is kicked dead from within the 20m zone the the restart is on the 20m line. However if the ball is kicked dead from outside the 20m line, the defending team restarts with a tap from where the ball was kicked. That would encourage teams to keep the ball in play more and speed the game up even more.'"
So if they are so great and speed the game up so much how come we see so little of them every season
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| Quote ="The Whiffy Kipper"So if they are so great and speed the game up so much how come we see so little of them every season'"
Because they’re not easy to execute. It requires the team with the ball to get in the right part of the field, the player before it to win the collision and get a quick play the ball and then an accurate kick against a defence who will do all they can to stop it.
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| Quote ="Bigredwarrior"Because they’re not easy to execute. It requires the team with the ball to get in the right part of the field, the player before it to win the collision and get a quick play the ball and then an accurate kick against a defence who will do all they can to stop it.'"
I remember the first time Wigan played a game with that rule in force. Andy Farrell kicked one with his first touch of the ball and Wigan scored from the re-start. Afterwards, some whinging letter-writer in the Rugby Leaguer said something like 'looks like the new rule has found another way to make it easier for Wigan to win games'.
Except that Faz never kicked another in his entire RL career, and in truth, I can probably count on one hand the other Wigan players who have kicked them since.
So, I think that underlines your point.
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| Quote ="Pieman"still think the UFC was better when the gracies ran it'"
I still enjoy the old UFC's when Rorion Gracie and Art Davies was in charge, they were good days to discover and then get into this new sport but tbh after a few events the Country and some people in power really turned against it and it was never going to be considered a 'sport' until it had proper sanctioned rules, that didn't involve, headbutting, groin strikes, gouging and weight classes etc - it made it look to the average guy like a cockfight. Rorion and Art only had the company till about UFC 5 where they sold it to SEG.
I remember at the time of UFC 1/2 I was teaching kickboxing and one of my students lent me the videos, I thought it was the craziest thing I'd ever seem (who can forget Keith Hackney literally pummelling some dude in the nuts one fight, the most painful thing I've seen, tbh couldn't have happened to a nicer dude in Joe Son, now doing time for some awful crimes. A Boxer competing with one glove on, high-level karate guys getting demolished by this skinny Brazillian, even a Sumo wrestler turned up. in those days as much fun it was to watch it was definitely a bit of a joke. Saying that it what was the thing that eventually made me seek out BJJ classes, as hard it was to find a place in the mid-'90s. Interestingly although Royce won those early events, he was considered the weakest of all the brothers and their father wanted Rickson to compete.
Yeah, those old days were fun and new but they'd become a bit boring and tbf it wasn't until when the Fertitas bought it and especially Lorenzo Fertitta, because he'd been a member of the Nevada State Athletic Commission and knew his way around that side of the game, it what that which really made the sport legit in the US and the thing it is now, whether you like it or preferred it when it was more underground, It's crazy though that even with the success that New York until recent wouldn't even sanction MMA events till 2016.
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| The salary cap is killing the sport. Clubs have no real incentive to try up their income as they cant spend it on world class players. Likewise the big money sponsors are put off as they want their brand to be across the chest of a household name not little Jimmy who came through the academy and showed great promise at Wigan St Pats. In its current format, the cap stops teams from prospering and growing and keep the game stagnant and unattractive to big investment.
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| Quote ="The_Enforcer"The salary cap is killing the sport. Clubs have no real incentive to try up their income as they cant spend it on world class players. Likewise the big money sponsors are put off as they want their brand to be across the chest of a household name not little Jimmy who came through the academy and showed great promise at Wigan St Pats. In its current format, the cap stops teams from prospering and growing and keep the game stagnant and unattractive to big investment.'"
It's all a ploy to so Leeds can be successful, as is having no reserves grade, The game is dying thanks to the machinations of Gary Hetherington and his beautiful wife
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It's all a ploy to so Leeds can be successful, as is having no reserves grade, The game is dying thanks to the machinations of Gary Hetherington and his beautiful wife'"
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| Quote ="Les Norton"Weird.'"
Every team has one..... we have two
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| Quote ="The_Enforcer"The salary cap is killing the sport. Clubs have no real incentive to try up their income as they cant spend it on world class players. Likewise the big money sponsors are put off as they want their brand to be across the chest of a household name not little Jimmy who came through the academy and showed great promise at Wigan St Pats. In its current format, the cap stops teams from prospering and growing and keep the game stagnant and unattractive to big investment.'"
The problem is that sponsors can't make home grown player's into household names because if I remember correctly,any sponsorship deals count on the cap, let player's earn whatever they can through external sponsorship then their faces will become more widely recognised and help to raise the profile of the game
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| Quote ="Warrior Winger"The problem is that sponsors can't make home grown player's into household names because if I remember correctly,any sponsorship deals count on the cap, let player's earn whatever they can through external sponsorship then their faces will become more widely recognised and help to raise the profile of the game'"
I think you can get external sponsors but they can't have anything to do with the rugby club.
I'm sure that Bradford got busted a good few years ago due to Iestyn Harris receiving some money from a personal appearance or endorsement. That wasn't a problem until that same company then advertised in the match day magazine, effectively making them a club sponsor.
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| Adverts on SKY today publishing all the 2109 events we can see on SKY SPORTS no mention of SL whatsoever even ladies RU got a mention .All the major sports football,golf,motor, racing,rugby union ,tennis,
darts among others. Its a bad situation when SL does not even get a mention seeing as we provide nine months of viewing culminating with the GF .This is why we need a Eddie Hearn figure .
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| Quote ="jaws1"Adverts on SKY today publishing all the 2109 events we can see on SKY SPORTS no mention of SL whatsoever even ladies RU got a mention .All the major sports football,golf,motor, racing,rugby union ,tennis,
darts among others. Its a bad situation when SL does not even get a mention seeing as we provide nine months of viewing culminating with the GF .This is why we need a Eddie Hearn figure .'"
It has been said before but perhaps we need a modern day Packer versus Murdock. Sky have become complacent that we have no other outlet so perhaps we need someone who understands new media. The money is out there but we need to work out how to tap into it. I remember Bill Bryson, the American author, mentioning that Britain can do amazing things with virtually nothing. He mentioned that Oxford University, our wealthiest university, earns less in endowments each year than the Ohio University American Football team. That team earns in a year more than enough to fund Super League in total for a decade.
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| Quote ="jaws1"Adverts on SKY today publishing all the 2109 events we can see on SKY SPORTS no mention of SL whatsoever even ladies RU got a mention .All the major sports football,golf,motor, racing,rugby union ,tennis,
darts among others. Its a bad situation when SL does not even get a mention seeing as we provide nine months of viewing culminating with the GF .This is why we need a Eddie Hearn figure .'"
Excellent post. Our contract with sky has made RL so exclusive that public exposure is minimal. The game needs free to air games just like RU gets on BBC ,ITV, channels 4 & 5. The game will never have any household names when our sole broadcaster starves us of publicity.
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| I couldn’t agree more. Last week Sean O’Loughlin was on the picture board on A Question of Sport and Phil Tufnell had to pass, despite having Jon Wilkin’s girlfriend on his team.
It’s bad when so called sports experts don’t recognise the current England RL captain and it adds weight to Eddie Hearn’s comments about the game lacking superstars.
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| Quote ="Bigredwarrior"I couldn’t agree more. [uLast week Sean O’Loughlin was on the picture board on A Question of Sport and Phil Tufnell had to pass, despite having Jon Wilkin’s girlfriend on his team.[/u
It’s bad when so called sports experts don’t recognise the current England RL captain and it adds weight to Eddie Hearn’s comments about the game lacking superstars.'"
If that doesn't worry the powers-that-be in our game, then nothing will.
I keep telling myself that with the removal of Woods and the sidelining of the RFL, things are finally moving the right way. But we seem to have fallen so far that it's going to be a long, slow, cautious climb back to prominence, if it happens at all - without some kind of major personality injection at the publicity end.
I understand people's hesitation about the Hearns, but at present we can't seem to sell ourselves at all outside the heartlands (and not even there from our falling crowds). How can that happen when we are supposedly TGG?
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| Lockers is probably not as well-known to The Great British Public as someone like Michael van Gerwen. More's the pity. I too was and am hopeful regarding recent changes, but something needs to happen, and it looks like the Hearns will not be getting involved in the foreseeable future.
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| Quote ="Bigredwarrior"I couldn’t agree more. Last week Sean O’Loughlin was on the picture board on A Question of Sport and Phil Tufnell had to pass, despite having Jon Wilkin’s girlfriend on his team.
It’s bad when so called sports experts don’t recognise the current England RL captain and it adds weight to Eddie Hearn’s comments about the game lacking superstars.'"
Totally agree. And while the SL/RFL should promote the players, they themselves could do more by prodding their agents into generating some publicity. For some reason, this aspect of an agent's role is neglected entirely in RL. Not in other sports though.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Totally agree. And while the SL/RFL should promote the players, they themselves could do more by prodding their agents into generating some publicity. For some reason, this aspect of an agent's role is neglected entirely in RL. Not in other sports though.'"
You can't expect too much. RL players' agents are too busy keeping the players-to-RU-then-the-NRL-then-back-again carousel going.
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| I would have liked for him to have got involved in someway
But our biggest problem in my view is our relationship with sky and the exclusivity they receive. The BBC get better figures than sky do for rugby league. They are our best bet of getting better national exposure. Why can we not have a Sunday afternoon game on free to air TV??
The argument that clubs don't have the money, imagine if you were trying to sell Wigan rlfc to roman abrhamovich. Hey roman Wigan have just gone up for sale, brilliant he replies where did they finish last year? 2nd but they won the grand final, great he replies but I want to finish first, whose the best j5 players in the world get them and send me the bill.... Ahhh sorry roman we can only spend 1.8m a year on players wages aggg we'll love that then. Those 5 players would put bums on seats increase profile and attract better sponsors and allow us a better negotiation with sky.
Unfortunately the disharmony besween rfl n super league makes it hard for real changes to be made.
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| Quote ="Dezzies_right_hook"I would have liked for him to have got involved in someway
But our biggest problem in my view is our relationship with sky and the exclusivity they receive. The BBC get better figures than sky do for rugby league. They are our best bet of getting better national exposure. Why can we not have a Sunday afternoon game on free to air TV??
The argument that clubs don't have the money, imagine if you were trying to sell Wigan rlfc to roman abrhamovich. Hey roman Wigan have just gone up for sale, brilliant he replies where did they finish last year? 2nd but they won the grand final, great he replies but I want to finish first, whose the best j5 players in the world get them and send me the bill.... Ahhh sorry roman we can only spend 1.8m a year on players wages aggg we'll love that then. Those 5 players would put bums on seats increase profile and attract better sponsors and allow us a better negotiation with sky.
Unfortunately the disharmony besween rfl n super league makes it hard for real changes to be made.'"
Or you could say to Roman that we won the trophy that everyone wants to win. you can have 2 world class players and pay them as much as you want as only a minimul amount counts on the salary cap but dont expect crowds to rise massivley as its only a town and we maximise the numbers we have and could increase maybe by 1500 at most no matter who we bring in as proven this year with Benny Barba over the hill. but we can assure you Mr Abramovic that you will not lose anything like the amount of money your current football team loses.
More importantly the do gooders of Wigan will all be out on there high horses should he want to take over as he has a chequred past and they dont like that. well unless its a player they like as in Bateman or Flower.
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