It is absolutely conclusive.......

That the ball is passed backward (or at worst "flat"icon_wink.gif in relation to EH's direction of travel.

Stevo twisted the wording to invent "the momentum rule" (it is not called that), but the rule is right there in the RFL's guide to the game:



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Oh my good god, THE most desperate post I have ever had the joy to read!!!!!!

Agreed, scoreboard end behind the sticks, can remember it as though it was yesterday.

Can't believe nobody has mentioned the Leeds play-off from 2003. The 2 Carney long range efforts along with the Tickle drop goal made that very special.

Rads v Bradford 2,000, but strictly speaking, that didnt win it...Faz kicking the goal won it.
Faz JNR last good friday...more sweet as it was against the enemy.

and........Mick Sullivan @ 1959 ish.........last minute in corner v leeds ? in the cup.
i was a small boy in the hen pen.......happy days

That was my first thought. Wigan were losing 9 -11 and Mick Sullivan shot in at the corner. Punchie Griffiths kicked the goal off the touchline to give Wigan a 14 - 11 win. I was on the Duggie side at the Kop end that day.

There can't be a more last gasp win than Joe Lydons 80th minute drop goal in the 1993 Challenge Cup Q/F at Halifax to win the game 18-19

The Good Friday derby this year. Shaking like a leaf.

The Good Friday game last season. Simply because my girlfriend (a saints fan) was sat at the side of me, all smug because we were losing.

+1

The two bradford ones edge it for me over the saints game though due to the significance of the games.

The bradford one at home is probably the best game ive been to purely for the drama and excitement and the fact that whoever won would take top....to have the drama and exitement of a final second try, only to realise faz still had to kick the goal meant there was nothing quite like it....beats the wide to west moment for me or the other two purely for that.

Then the bradford play offs game would have to be up there as it was win or bust, and i nearly walked out after 55 minutes when we went 30-6 down, yet as soon as we got a try you could almost sense something special - amazing game.

Saints probably a distant 3rd simply because it was only local pride resting on it.

I think we've also had two smash and grabs at leeds in recent years (2 of the many 22-18s IIRC) which are also up there in all time greatest games.

Quote ="nickcat0" Quote ="twosevenzero" Quote ="nickcat0" Quote ="ROBINSON"The challenge cup semi final in (I think) 1990 or 1992 at Old Trafford against Saints. The game was locked at 8-8, when Hanley did one of his weaving runs, and handed the ball to Andy Goodway, who went in under the posts. As per usual, the Saints fans swore blind the pass was forward (it wasn't) and still do to this day, which makes the win even more sweet.'" It was 1990, and the score was 14-14 ............ if you can't even get those basic facts correct, how do you expect us to trust your judgement on whether the pass was forward or not. Fortunately, if you can be bothered to get out your old video tapes (yes, the match was before the invention of dvd, kids ) ; then the pass can be proved to be a forward pass. In one of the few facts you recalled correctly, the match was at Old Trafford, and the soccer markings were still visible.......... Hanley released the ball about one yard outside the soccer penalty area, and as Goodway caught it, his feet are on the line marking the edge of the box, and the ball is in front of him (i.e. inside the box) .......... hence the ball must have travelled forward.'" Momentum rule '" This was 1990 , when a forward pass was a forward pass ..... and before Stevo changed the rules to allow everyone to act like a NFL quarterback and chuck it miles downfield.'" As someone else has pointed out - stevo didnt change the rules, he just popularised an exisiting rule by giving it an instantly recognisable name. A forward pass is a pass in a forward motion not relative to the ground which is why ground markings can never be used to judge a forward pass as 90% of passes would actually be forward if this were the case. Though its kick and clap this video demonstrates it perfectly www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMlDy2jP9s Its essentially about whether the ball is passed backwards relative to the travelling player which it was in this case as you can see by the fact hanley is still a good 2 yards infront of goodway receiving. The video above also shows perfectly why a lot of passes can look more obviously forward even when they're not, if the momentum of the passer is suddenly stopped upon releasing the ball by a tackler

Quote ="nickcat0" Quote ="twosevenzero" Quote ="nickcat0" Quote ="ROBINSON"The challenge cup semi final in (I think) 1990 or 1992 at Old Trafford against Saints. The game was locked at 8-8, when Hanley did one of his weaving runs, and handed the ball to Andy Goodway, who went in under the posts. As per usual, the Saints fans swore blind the pass was forward (it wasn't) and still do to this day, which makes the win even more sweet.'" It was 1990, and the score was 14-14 ............ if you can't even get those basic facts correct, how do you expect us to trust your judgement on whether the pass was forward or not. Fortunately, if you can be bothered to get out your old video tapes (yes, the match was before the invention of dvd, kids ) ; then the pass can be proved to be a forward pass. In one of the few facts you recalled correctly, the match was at Old Trafford, and the soccer markings were still visible.......... Hanley released the ball about one yard outside the soccer penalty area, and as Goodway caught it, his feet are on the line marking the edge of the box, and the ball is in front of him (i.e. inside the box) .......... hence the ball must have travelled forward.'" Momentum rule '" This was 1990 , when a forward pass was a forward pass ..... and before Stevo changed the rules to allow everyone to act like a NFL quarterback and chuck it miles downfield.'" As someone else has pointed out - stevo didnt change the rules, he just popularised an exisiting rule by giving it an instantly recognisable name. A forward pass is a pass in a forward motion not relative to the ground which is why ground markings can never be used to judge a forward pass as 90% of passes would actually be forward if this were the case. Though its kick and clap this video demonstrates it perfectly www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMlDy2jP9s Its essentially about whether the ball is passed backwards relative to the travelling player which it was in this case as you can see by the fact hanley is still a good 2 yards infront of goodway receiving. The video above also shows perfectly why a lot of passes can look more obviously forward even when they're not, if the momentum of the passer is suddenly stopped upon releasing the ball by a tackler

"The king himself, long live the king, Ellery Hanley" - A Murphy

Notice how neither him or Frenchie say it's forward? Both Saints fans.

No mate, but I also haven't forgotten the majority of games when he was uninspiring and absent. Yes ok, the players around him may not have been the best, but that's no excuse for a so-called God as most Wigan fans have painted him.

oooOOOOOoooooo! Touched a nerve, did we?

Oh god, she gets worse.

Good Friday, still got it on sky+ and watch the last 5-10 mins regularly.

Bradford away - my dad wanted us to go and I said no, think we'll get beat, I'll watch it on telly (shame). At half time I thought, at well at least I've saved some cash, at full time I was thinking "I can't believe I didn't go". Thats the only game where as soon as it had finished, I just pressed play and watched it again immediately afterwards thinking, did this just happen. (Sadly I deleted this off sky!)

Another one that sort of sticks in the memory for me for some reason and perhaps some of the older fans is a 15-14 victory away at Fulham in the early 80's. Colin Whitfield won the game with a last gasp drop goal at Craven Cottage.