I added it on Thursday if my memory serves me right, if must say how observant of you to notice, nothing gets past Catalancs eh.

I certainly don't but question IL running it as such and the IL lovers will jump on you very quickly.

Ironically though his justification you highlight is spot on re Noble. We have stagnated for quite some time now and a new coach is needed to inject some new ideas.




We get to semi finals but no further. We need to be in a position to take the next step and Noble can't get us past this last hurdle. I don't see what given Noble's time with is he has to offer to take us to the next step.



Getting rid of Noble is in itself a step forward.

Dave

so whiched washed-up coach will get 18 months of superannuation this time?

3 days mate, then we will see

If we finish top next season but get knocked out in the play offs, will you be happy?

It's McGuire

Hopefully youre correct.

I'd be happier yes. I'd rather finish top and lose in a one-off game in the playoffs than finish 6th and still not win anything.

According to this
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As someone else has posted it's better than finishing 6th and getting knocked out in the play offs.

Finish top and we won't have lost 12 games and so will have had a far more enjoyable and less frustrating season so I don't see the down side to that compared to what we have experienced this last three seasons.

The play offs are a knock out competition and there is always en element of unpredictability in those but as has been proved ever since we went to play off format the higher you finish the better chance you have of winning the thing. So if we did finish top that would be a good thing as we would have given ourselves the best chance to win it but you can never rule anything out in a knock out competition so there are no guarantees but then we all know that don't we.

Dave

You keep asking this question - and it's actually quite mischievous. It's as though you're setting your stall out to not be impressed by the new guy, whoever he is, unless he wins us a trophy straight away.

I'll just be happier if we see a better-conditioned Wigan team, who are also better motivated, mentally stronger, much more composed, can do the basics quickly and efficiently, can cut out the indiscipline and unforced errors, can switch from defence to attack smoothly, have offensive patterns that put the opposition on the back foot, have a better kicking game etc etc.

This is not difficult, AJ. You must know in your heart of hearts that Wigan, on recent form - despite battling their way to two semi-finals - are not playing anything like as well as the top sides. Surely it's enough that we get to these semis, and the fans build up a colossal tide of excitement and expectation - and it's never reflected in the actual game? Surely that alone indicates that we have to look elsewhere for our chief motivator?

I honestly don't see how people can fault Lenagan for this. His statement in the Times was bang-on IMO. Five semis, four abject defeats and one reasoinably gallant defeat (which was a defeat nevertheless) is scant reward for the enthusiasm and loyalty the Wigan fans have shown in recent years. Sometimes, for the good of the overall operation, you have to make difficult and painful decisions. Yes, you're right - and I've said this several times myself - it will ultimately depend on who the new man is, but I don't see how IL's general line of thinking can be faulted.

Nobby said "the rugby gods weren't with us" - but the rugby gods don't exist. IL's view was more pragmatic. "This team is not playing as well as we think it can". Nobby has had nearly four years at Wigan - ample time to put this problem right. And though we've improved in many areas, which IL outlines, we're still not delivering the finished product. Regardless of whether or not you win trophies, the Wigan crowd has sufficient pedigree and experience to recognise the difference between a good team and an average team - and at present most of them are aware that they're watching the latter. I don't see what the chairman can do other than try to find someone who will change that.

Don't keep harping on about "how will you feel if we don't make a semi next year?". That's personal point scoring, which is rather shallow of you frankly. The team has to improve. Sitting around doing nothing will only lead to stagnation.

Unfortunately God wasn't available for the job

100% it is definatly mcguire, he signed last week

Cronk and Blair too ?

Please say yes

I agree.

If Wigan get McGuire as coach then they may as well have gone for John Dixon, or Peter Roe or Barry Eaton, or Steve Deakin etc., etc.

Will not make Wigan into world beaters with the current players and their "attitudes"

There is only ONE coach, in this country, who can get the best out of players yet he is often ignored but he is "successful" as has been shown time and time again.

Paul Cullen?

Not even funny that

That would send me over the edge

When Wayne Bennett recommends someone as the next big thing in coaching, you've got to at least sit up and take note.

I for one would be very pleased if we got someone as proficient and innovative as McGuire is supposed to be.

Bobby Goulden

I personally will be chuffed to bit's if we get McGuire and Wane together as a team, for me they form everything that I want in a Wigan coaching team.

Wane brings knowledge of the current juniors at the club as well as the history and importance of wearing the Wigan shirt to the table, while McGuire would bring new cutting edge techniques and methods to the club which may just enable us to move to that next level.

All in all I would be very happy with that appointment however whether they could turn some of the current players around is a doubt after all you can't polish a turd.

McGuire would be a very good appointment. This is a man who has spent 3 yearz or so working under the best coach around at Melbourne.

No disrespect to Wane but I would be disapointed if he was made head coach now. We need somebody fresh in with new ideas and new contacts (he might be able to bring some top players with him)

Im really looking forward to next season if it is McGuire!

He is also rated highly by Wayne Bennett.