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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"I freely admit an element of my criticism is because he is an import. We have far too many of them! Also, I'm basing my opinion on his entire contribution this season, not just against Quins.
TBH the WC changed how I feel about not just Wigan but the game over here as a whole and I posted as much at the time. For me, Riddell, Phelps, Smith and Roberts can go home now.'"
Well firstly surely you have to base an assessment on whether a player should play next week based on their last game, especially if they've played well which IMO Roberts did.
I empthasise with your opinion on overseas players but I do feel that the RFL are doing all they can to address the issue with the new restrictions coming in place over the next few years. I think 5 overseas in the 17 is a realistic figure that all clubs including Wigan should be aiming at. Smith, Phelps and Bailey will leave at the end of the year along with Mathers and Coley. You would hope that Wigan would be learning lessons now and alos taking into account what the fans want and not go too heavy on recruitment from overseas if possible - maybe 1 big name with any others domestic signings but it is difficult because of the availability or lack thereof of quality.
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| Quote ="injured"what would be the benefits of swapping oloughlin and j tompkins positions.people on this forum often say they would like to see them swap positions.why?'"
Probably because while O'Loughlin was injured for a few months last season, Tomkins filled in at Loose Forward and was probably our best player.
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| Quote ="Alex BP'"I'd have Riddell and Coley ahead of McIlorum and Prescott for now.
Mark Riddell will be a superb player once if he gets to speed and fitness with Super League. This won't be achieved by playing him in the reserves. Luckily for us, McIlorum has age on his side and will have plenty of opportunities should Riddell continue not to make progress.
When both fully fit, I'd easily have Prescott ahead of Coley but I'm not convinced that Prescott is fully fit yet. Give it a couple of weeks for Prescott to regain fitness and he'd take Coley's place for me.'"
A 3% Paul Prescott is stil better than Andy Coley. Absolute garbage and one of the worst props weve had in a very long time
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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"That's called "damning with faint praise", isn't it?'"
It is but its true, Im not saying he is playing well, but I would rather see Riddell on the team sheet than Smith atm.
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| We need an interchange at 9 whether Riddell starts or McIlorum.
Thought Noble got it right with Piggy starting, replaced by Tommy and Sam T going to 7.
Go with the same team again.
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| Quote ="RB"Probably because while O'Loughlin was injured for a few months last season, Tomkins filled in at Loose Forward and was probably our best player.'" .i just dont see the logic in swapping them.oloughlin is more of a ball playing loose than joel and joel is more of a running second row than oloughlin.i think both are suited to the position there already playing.there individual strengths compliment both there positions.
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| Quote ="Meyt N Prater Pie"A 3% Paul Prescott is stil better than Andy Coley. Absolute garbage and one of the worst props weve had in a very long time'"
I agree!
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| Quote ="Woody_woody"icon_lol.gif
I agree!'"
Yeh, I would actually have Moran back to play prop instead of Coley, Moran just used to end up running at the line anyway and dropping to the floor just like Coley does.
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| Quote ="Meyt N Prater Pie"A 3% Paul Prescott is stil better than Andy Coley. Absolute garbage and one of the worst props weve had in a very long time'"
I agree.
But it's for Prescott's best intrests for him to come back only when fit.
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| Who is the worst prop?
Andy Coley
Harvey Howard
Stephen Holgate
Francis Stephenson
Brady Malam
Brett Goldspink
Jerry Seu Seu
God we've had some BELTERS!
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| Quote ="Meyt N Prater Pie"Who is the worst prop?
Andy Coley
Harvey Howard
Stephen Holgate
Francis Stephenson
Brady Malam
Brett Goldspink
Jerry Seu Seu
God we've had some BELTERS!
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Tony Mestrov? did he evert break a tackle?
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| Quote ="Woody_woody"Tony Mestrov? did he evert break a tackle?'"
didnt think Mestrov was that bad to be honest. Certainly not a good un, but stil better than those in that list
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| Quote ="Meyt N Prater Pie"I may get shot down here, I may not
1 Pat Richards
2 Amos Roberts
3 Phil Bailey
4 George Carmont
5 Sean Ainscough
6 Tim Smith
7 Tommy Leuluai
8 Eamon O'Carroll
9 Michael McIlorum
10 Stuart Fielden
11 Harrison Hansen
12 Joel Tomkins
13 Sean O'Loughlin
14 Gareth Hock
15 Paul Prescott
16 Feka
17 Sam Tomkins
No place for Riddell, Phelps, Daryl, Coley, Karl Pryce or Mathers. None of em deserve to play right now.'"
not by me you wont.......thats exactly the line up i would start with.
none of the ones you mention deserve a place.......make em earn it.
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| Quote ="Meyt N Prater Pie"Who is the worst prop?
Andy Coley
Harvey Howard
Stephen Holgate
Francis Stephenson
Brady Malam
Brett Goldspink
Jerry Seu Seu
God we've had some BELTERS!
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I wouldn't want Jerry Seu Seu in any 'worst of' lists.
Possibly the bravest, most courageous player Wigan have had. I know for a fact his knee injury was far more serious than most people knew - it was a miracle he was even playing at all for us late 05 and 06.
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Tomkins Smith
Fielden, Tommy, O Carroll
Hansen Lockers
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No room for Piggy Coley Mathers Phelps Goulding.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Richards
Roberts Bailey Carmont Ainscough
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Fielden, Tommy, O Carroll
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No room for Piggy Coley Mathers Phelps Goulding.'"
Don't like the bench. 3 props against Bradford?
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| 4 props is a must against Bradford. I dont rate em but they sure have a massive pack
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| Hock hits the line like a prop. Far more effective at taking the ball up than lets say Coley.
Defensively Hansen, Hock, Lockers, Tomkins plus the on field prop won't have a problem with their pack.
Pryce adds size and cover in the backs and poss forwards.
Can't be doing with Coley full stop, sooner have my bench that introduce Prescott just yet, wanna give Pryce the nod.
But I do see your point.
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| I reckon keep same team as last week, but bring Sam T in a bit later than he did at Quins, maybe by 5 or 10 minutes... We had a strong side last week, there's no point in changing
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| agreed but get coley the hell out of this club
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| Quote ="Meyt N Prater Pie"I may get shot down here, I may not
1 Pat Richards
2 Amos Roberts
3 Phil Bailey
4 George Carmont
5 Sean Ainscough
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7 Tommy Leuluai
8 Eamon O'Carroll
9 Michael McIlorum
10 Stuart Fielden
11 Harrison Hansen
12 Joel Tomkins
13 Sean O'Loughlin
14 Gareth Hock
15 Paul Prescott
16 Feka
17 Sam Tomkins
No place for Riddell, Phelps, Daryl, Coley, Karl Pryce or Mathers. None of em deserve to play right now.'"
I'd go with that but probably play Joel at loose and Lockers in the second row.
Riddell can get game time in the reserves until he is fit enough.
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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"
Seriously, what has he done that Pryce couldn't? '"
Well his try assist against Cas for a start
You reckon Pryce would of finsihed that intercept againts Quins?
I think people are getting on the backs of Riddell and Roberts way too early
Riddell hasn't played well but I thought he showed improvement on Saturday and when he sorts his fitness out I think he will come good for us
I think Roberts has the potential to be a belter. Took his try very well against Quins showing great pace. He has either been at full back, which wasn't going to be the best position to help him settle in and didn't do too bad apart from letting one ball bounce.
You have to look at the centre's playing inside him so far he's had Phelps and Bailey. Not many wingers would do too well with them inside them. If he had Carmont on his inside I think he would be doing an awful lot better and people would be saying what a good buy he is! I also doubt Ainscough would have had 3 tries in 2 games had Phelps and Bailey been his centres for the 2 games
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2. Roberts
3. Bailey
4. Carmont
5. Ainscough
6. S. Tomkins
7. Smith
8. Fielden
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10. Feka
11. Hock
12. Tomkins
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| Quote ="[J-90"I'd go with that but probably play Joel at loose and Lockers in the second row.
Riddell can get game time in the reserves until he is fit enough.'" why would you swap them?
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| Quote ="injured"why would you swap them?'"
I can see his point, Tomkins is more of an attacking threat.
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