I just wish they'd show some passion - Hock seems to be the only one who does, but he just ends up getting frustrated and giving away penalties. Where's our captain when we need him?

He's got a dwarf's head

And heart to match?

The 5 Live summariser really pee'd me off last week after the game. Think it was Dave Woods.

He said "there's a bit of arrogance amongst Wigan fans, they don't expect to lose at home to the likes of Castleford."

I thought no, that's not the case. If a team plays well against us and Wigan have a damned good go as well and they still beat us I don't care who we lose against. That's the game. Sure I always want us to win, but it's the manner of these 2 home defeats that is annoying people. When we were awful in 2005 and 2006 the team tried hard even though they weren't that skilful.

The players have to accept this criticism as it is justified at the moment.

wigan players should be used to recieving criticism, they are playing for the most recognised rugby league club in the world and they are getting tonked by the likes of castleford and wakefield, what do they expect the fans and press to do? praise them for it?

it seems to me that some of the players have no ambition, and these players need to be got rid of asap if they are to continue to accept losses against wakefield and castelford, if these players had one ounce of ambition they would be criticising themselves, not waiting for the fans and press to do it for them. the lads need to get a bit of balls about them and realise that the season is 3 weeks old and we have 0 points!

But in all seriousness, why the hell is he still here and involved in the team.

As for the article, Noble is to the point and honest, I dont see what else he can say, he knows he has to turn things around and quickly. Its over to him.

No offence to Noble but if there was ever a time we need someone like Edwards leading us it's now. Would he stand for it? I could just imagine the snarl on his face after one of his players came out with crap like this to the press! Even if not Edwards then it highlights the need for a Wigan legend in the coaching set up as they know it more than just any other club.

I despair at what's happening to this great clubs sometimes. How hard can it be to get it right?

No thats just it, he is not too the point, he is missing it by a mile!!

How?

The next thing is we will beat London and various players will tell the WEP that if we put it together we will "batter" teams from now on, before promptly conceding 50 against Leeds and being told not to panic and over react again.

That’s the most frustrating part as we have gone to Leeds and Won but we can never continue the run for some reason. The lack of consistency is a massive problem at Wigan IMO.

The majority of this team Richards, Feka, Goulding, Prescott, O’Carroll, Fielden, Mcilorum, Tommy, Hock, Lockers, Hansen & Bailey have all played together for a good few season now. The guys we’ve brought in also Roberts and Piggy especially should be old and experienced enough to be able to adjust to being at new clubs shouldn’t they? Smith is best mates with Piggy and has played with him before plus he was here last season 2. Roberts and Piggy have both had more than two clubs each and must know what it takes when you join a new team surly?

They're certainly running out of excuses on the 'chopping and changing' and 'new team' front. Personally I think today's comments give more of an insight into why this bunch constantly underachieve.

A load of new players thrown together overnight are not going to gel straight away. But, as you say, that situation will adjust over time. A bad attitude may need to be forcibly adjusted.

As i said on the Colborn thread:

"What price a good work ethic and real desire to play for the team"

*message to the players*

if you dont like it then fook off and go play for Batley.

and if you carry on playing e , we will carry on criticising.

NOW PUT YOUR DUMMYS BACK IN AND DO WHAT YOU'RE PAID FOR

To the point but every single word true.

Harsh on Batley, why would they want our sh[ii[/ite?

Like it

The more I read articles like this and comments from IL and BN in the press, the angrier I get. This is ridiculous stuff from BN.

BN talks about his job being to protect the players. Is he a coach or a nanny/social worker? Absolutely pathetic.

What he should be doing is making them take responsibility for their failures (and showing leadership in doing the same himself).

This isn't whining on the scale that we saw from some of the players after the disgraceful Hudds game last season but this sort of bleating is still totally unacceptable, particularly coming from the coach.

Things seem to be lurching from bad to worse at the moment.

A defeat on Saturday and the word "crisis" will inevitably (and rightly) be used in the press yet again about our once proud club.

Stung by criticism from 'outside' the club. Cheeky tw @t. We are the club and we'll still be here supporting it long after this current bunch of lame dicks have left the scene.

As for the player who walked out when asked if he wanted to play for the club? That just shows weak management that he was ever let anywhere near the place again. What's the point asking the question if, when you expose one of the pi$$ taking leaches, you do nothing about it?

Exactly. I would love an explination from IL over why he is still at the club.

If an individual is asked "do you want to work for our company anymore"? Then the reply is "No"!.
If this did happen with a Wigan player then there is simply no point in them being there!
If true, then surely something could have been done to get rid!
That couldn't be too difficult could it?

Source?

Exactly.

That's just the point I applauded that particular squad because they gave everything they had 100%, week in and week out.

The size of the defeats meant nothing and the atmosphere generated by the fans was almost carnival. We know this current squad of players are well above that particular 2005 - 2006 benchmark and that's what the squad of Super League XIV must understand.

"Stung by criticism from 'outside' the club. Cheeky tw @t. We are the club and we'll still be here supporting it long after this current bunch of lame dicks have left the scene."

I really do hope that this was aimed at the media who have revelled in our constant demise. If not, and was directed at the fans......Well i'm f00kin livid....maybe BN could give some clarification to this part of his interview as Jimmy Birts stated previously...."When you and some of your prima-donnas have p!33ed of in to the distance well still be here"