I don't disagree really, but I suppose the counterpoint would be that a better time to judge is at the end of the season and the state of the squads going into knock out rugby. Wane's first season immediately comes to mind when we were battering teams earlier in the year but picked up injuries and ran out of gas when it mattered.

I don't think we'll see a repeat this year, but I'd be lying if I said wasn't a bit concerned by the lack of chances to rest throughout the season.

Exactly, there is a reason the double has only been done 6 times in 28 years.

Ok mate don’t get upset if you would rather keep your information within the inner circle then that’s fine.

YG pm'd me earlier and they're in talks for Dec Patton, Sammy Kibula and Derrell Olpherts.

Keep it under your hats.

Not upset in the slightest. You’re asking me for names and I’m telling why I won’t share them. It’s not difficult.

Tristan Sailor is one

If he comes to play 6 for them he will be a good signing but if it's to play 1 he's a liability under the bomb

Hull making a big play for him and Broncos keen to retain also.

If Lam shows interest in a fullback/stand off then jump on would probably be the best advice. Saints are in a strange position though, in that they need signings but probably don’t want to sign lads on 3/4 year deals because of this crop of kids like Robertson and Whitby. It will be interesting to see what they come up with.

Not if Lomax continues to get selected. I must admit though that I enjoyed watching Robertson last night, after a shaky start he grew into the game. The lad has got great footwork.

Anyone see the Reserves game today? Very surprising scoreline. Wigan reserves normally beat us so I was amazed with the score.

Wigan needed to win as well with losing at Huddersfield and drawing with London

Just looked. That is a hammering 10-50

I've watched the reserves a couple of times this year and have been pretty underwhelmed with the performances, especially when it comes to the desire to defend their line. On paper the Wigan side looked strong today, as it did when they played Huddersfield recently but for whatever reason it's just not happening. I normally see a young Wigan side and see a couple of lads who I'm convinced will make it but with guys like Eckersley and Farrimond in the seniors, I don't see too many at that level currently. I think Douglas has a strong chance and I like Kerr and Ratchford when I see them but there aren't many others who jump out at me.

At the stages in their careers normally that team may still have a few of Jnr, Hill, Eckersley, Farrimond and Forber in there which I guess would the equate to decent amount of potential O'niel been pretty special as well. I always think Douglas looks very able to step up I think he just needs to believe it himself.

Strong rumours this morning that Dagnall is playing on Friday. Half an hour later he is named in the squad and given a first team squad number.

Wellens has gone from being risk averse to all of a sudden giving debuts to lads against the better teams. Had they been drip fed into the team against the likes of London, the transition would be easier but hey ho.

Any of these lads physically ready for a season in the championship Stu ?
It's done Eckersley a world of good playing against experienced blokes and it seems like our go to method when playing academy/reserves is no use anymore development wise

A few have played dual reg. Vaughan has played a few for Swinton and done well and Burns and Lane have played for North Wales Crusaders. Roberts has played for Swinton and is now going to Rochdale for two weeks. Pretty sure Whitby has played somewhere too.

Robertson has gone straight from Academy/Reserves into the first team and looks like Dagnall will do the same

I think Saints see Vaughan as a back rower longer term but he doesn't have the frame for it yet, think he will be fine in the centres in SL and back row if he goes back out on dual reg. Burns has done the best part of 18 months on dual reg and is 24(?), he's certainly physically ready. With that said Wellens has shown precious little faith in either so far.

Interesting that Roberts has gone to Rochdale in light of all the controversy around Swinton.

Naiqama?

Tristan Sailor to Saints.

Trying to find their version of Field/French.

Hopefully he’s more like Lachie Miller/ Tex Hoy

As a 6 he will do well in SL but if hes coming to play full back I've never seen anyone worse under the high ball. Be interesting where they fit him in

1 try in 17 NRL appearances wouldn't fill you with much hope as a Saints fan but the fact Lam fancied him at Leigh would and they can always go either way. Few bits I've seen of him, he doesn't look lightning quick but does look to have good feet. He's probably a decent fit to bring in to the squad for a couple of years while Robertson develops.

Rumours around Naiqama as well. He's 35 years of age (and 36 by the start of next season) and I know options might be limited but I'm sure there must be somebody in the NRL or on the fringes of the NRL that could do at least as good a job but over a longer period. That one seems a really strange move if it's for anything longer than just the rest of this season.

Rumours seem to be him coming immediately just for this season. Seems like Hurrell may be retiring so that would explain that one, an experienced stop gap.

Sailor would provide pace, something we lack but not sure where he would play. If Robertson is trusted to start away at Wigan then its fair to say with an off season under his belt and the chance to put some weight on, he'll get more games next season. You obviously have Welsby and Lomax to consider too plus Mbye so not sure what the thinking is.

Has KN been good for Huddersfield ? I barely watch them play and think he was missing against us.

He was one of saints best in his first spell there