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| Quote ="j.c"As things are at the moment, why would you pick those two clubs before huddersfield and hkr?.
Bradford are a protected species so thats a bit silly of you.'"
Even with their slump at the end of last season Hudds still finished 7th. Losing them would adversley impact the quality of the league. Hull KR are usually up their too they have just had a bad season. Their clash with Hull FC is one of the leagues highlights too. Bradford went into administration, loads of people said they should have gone so it's hardly silly. We want teams who are either performing well, have a bit of money or are outside the heartlands. Bradford fall into none of those categories. It's a shame though, they do have a marketable product.
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| Quote ="MjM"Where does it say the RFL have "poured" allegedly £1m into London?
Not that I'm saying they shouldn't - the Broncos are a flagship club with unique challenges who should get all the help, financial and non-financial, that the RFL can give them.'"
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Even with their slump at the end of last season Hudds still finished 7th. Losing them would adversley impact the quality of the league. Hull KR are usually up their too they have just had a bad season. Their clash with Hull FC is one of the leagues highlights too. Bradford went into administration, loads of people said they should have gone so it's hardly silly. We want teams who are either performing well, have a bit of money or are outside the heartlands. Bradford fall into none of those categories. It's a shame though, they do have a marketable product.'"
If I'm not mistaken Bradford would have finished above Huddersfield if it hadn't been for their 6 point deduction. Bradford are one of the most successful teams of SL with far bigger support & potential than the others. How is the salary cap going to be increased with fewer games, supporters, income?
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| Quote ="tigertot"If I'm not mistaken Bradford would have finished above Huddersfield if it hadn't been for their 6 point deduction. Bradford are one of the most successful teams of SL with far bigger support & potential than the others. How is the salary cap going to be increased with fewer games, supporters, income?'"
Bradford might have finished a point above Hudds because Hudds had an off season and Bradford had that purple patch around the time they went into administration but generally Hudds have been the better side. I'll bet you £50 that Huddersfield will finish above Bradford in 2013 if you like? I wouldn't have fewer games, everyone can play each other thrice instead of twice. Attendances would be up because the average game would be higher quality and more important due to the top 5 play off. The cap could be raised because it would only need to be at a evel that the 6 richest could afford rather than the top 10 or so.
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| Quote ="Stanley30" £750,000 pays for about 40 nurses a year! '"
Sorry for being a pedant but £750K will not get you 40 nurses...25 maybe with on costs.
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| The RL authorities should be ashamed of themselves. Its been obvious for years that the game has been failing to achieve financial stability, let alone growth and that the structures and management of the SL are not fit for purpose.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Bradford might have finished a point above Hudds because Hudds had an off season and Bradford had that purple patch around the time they went into administration but generally Hudds have been the better side. I'll bet you £50 that Huddersfield will finish above Bradford in 2013 if you like? I wouldn't have fewer games, everyone can play each other thrice instead of twice. Attendances would be up because the average game would be higher quality and more important due to the top 5 play off. The cap could be raised because it would only need to be at a evel that the 6 richest could afford rather than the top 10 or so.'"
Bradford have finished something like 14 times above Hudds c/w 3 to Hudds in the SL era & get double HUdds crowds. Presumably you mean Hudds have been the better side over the previous 3 years as that suits your argument? Hudds only manage thanks to Davy's generosity (& long may that continue). They are no different to over half of SL clubs, or most pro sports clubs, in that respect. Only Leeds seem to manage & grow without a benefactor. Lets get rid of Saints as well as they lost a million the previous season.
I'll take your £50 bet if you take mine, Wire will finish above Salford.
I don't think 10 teams would work with the current format, just increasing the amount of times teams play each other would risk making the events stale & lead to lower attendances. I think it could work if there was an expanded world club challenge involving French clubs. But that is a while off without massive investment in the French game, commitment from Aus, & funding from TV. Chicken & egg. Your 10 game suggestion would need Sky approval, otherwise we would be fecked. It works in yawnion & cricket where the leagues are now secondary to European & limited over competitions, but they have the internationals to fund expansion.
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| Quote ="Deano G"The RL authorities should be ashamed of themselves. Its been obvious for years that the game has been failing to achieve financial stability, let alone growth and that the structures and management of the SL are not fit for purpose.'"
And your credible solutions to the problems? It's easy & fashionable to make extreme statements, but, contrary to belief, there have been some decent talent on board with the RFL. Lindsay, Watkins, Waite, Walker, Lewis, Edwards are not stupid people & have struggled to make RL sustainable. No different from all major sports. Without huge TV revenue we are limited to what we can do. I am not a fan of Wood, but that is largely due to the image of a fat, stereotypical northerner he portrays to the media. What I would do different is for the RFL to take control of RL in London & direct development there, if the amateurish attempts there are to be believed.
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| Average wage of a newly qualified nurse is £21000 so nearer 40 than 25. Sorry for being pedantic! To$$er
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| Quote ="tigertot"Bradford have finished something like 14 times above Hudds c/w 3 to Hudds in the SL era & get double HUdds crowds. Presumably you mean Hudds have been the better side over the previous 3 years as that suits your argument? Hudds only manage thanks to Davy's generosity (& long may that continue). They are no different to over half of SL clubs, or most pro sports clubs, in that respect. Only Leeds seem to manage & grow without a benefactor. Lets get rid of Saints as well as they lost a million the previous season.
I'll take your £50 bet if you take mine, Wire will finish above Salford.
I don't think 10 teams would work with the current format, just increasing the amount of times teams play each other would risk making the events stale & lead to lower attendances. I think it could work if there was an expanded world club challenge involving French clubs. But that is a while off without massive investment in the French game, commitment from Aus, & funding from TV. Chicken & egg. Your 10 game suggestion would need Sky approval, otherwise we would be fecked. It works in yawnion & cricket where the leagues are now secondary to European & limited over competitions, but they have the internationals to fund expansion.'"
I'm talking about the present day, realistically Huddersfield's on field prospects are better than Bradford's, surely you agree with that? Don't understand the rlevance of your Warrington-Salford bet :s I think there are a lot of stale events anyway, when we play Salford, Wakefield etc it's pretty damn boring. I'd rather play 3 close games against Leeds that 2 plus a drubbing against Salford.
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| Back to Salford; easy way to cut running costs would be to not bother running an Academy team.
Can't see Wigan wanting any of their young lads any where near the set-up at Salford. Powell and Murphy to follow the route of Mellor and Marsh.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Back to Salford; easy way to cut running costs would be to not bother running an Academy team.
Can't see Wigan wanting any of their young lads any where near the set-up at Salford. Powell and Murphy to follow the route of Mellor and Marsh.'"
And that old boy gets us back to the old chestnut of sides at the bottom living off the good work put in by the bigger clubs.....
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| Says in the paper that they will have a reply fron the council by Tuesday if there go in to liquidation.
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| Quote ="Ashton Bears"Says in the paper that they will have a reply fron the council by Tuesday if there go in to liquidation.'"
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| Quote ="Stanley30"Average wage of a newly qualified nurse is £21000 so nearer 40 than 25. Sorry for being pedantic! To$$er'"
If you're going to call someone a to$$er (which, by the way, I wouldn't advise unless you don't want to post here again) it's better to know the facts. The cost of a nurse is not just their salary, it would also include employers National Insurance and pension which is likely to take it to over £25k. Which would be about 30, which last time I looked was nearer to 25 than 40.
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| They have recently announced a player link up with Oldham. What the hell will Oldham will get out of this?
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| Would anybody miss Salford, honestly?
Apart from tradition and a now barely noticeable presence in Manchester, they don't offer much for me.
In fact it would be a breath of fresh air for me personally. Give a Super League opportunity to a club showing potential plus a new strategy to push Rugby League in Manchester which quite frankly, Salford could have been getting in the way of with others feeling at risk treading on their toes.
Harsh but not worth the effort saving in my opinion.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Back to Salford; easy way to cut running costs would be to not bother running an Academy team.
Can't see Wigan wanting any of their young lads any where near the set-up at Salford. Powell and Murphy to follow the route of Mellor and Marsh.'"
It was said a few weeks ago that Powell and Murphy would be going to Salford on loan next season,since then Shaun Wane has said that he wants both of the young lads to complete a full pre-season before any decesion is made. It seems that both of them have been taken on the trip to Florida.
You can look at this in a couple of ways,he is either waiting for the outcome of the Salford situation, or it would confirm that Wigan do not expect to bring anyone else in and they are both needed for first team cover (especially Powell).
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| Quote ="Pieman"the first poster said bailed out financially....I was backing him up.'"
Except it isnt a financial bailout, and it says as much,
That is more to do with the huge amount of development work that Quins/London Broncos were doing in the south, it was the RFL taking on some more of those facilities rather than a big cash payout.
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| Quote ="ABP'"Would anybody miss Salford, honestly?
Apart from tradition and a now barely noticeable presence in Manchester, they don't offer much for me.
[uIn fact it would be a breath of fresh air for me personally. Give a Super League opportunity to a club showing potential plus a new strategy to push Rugby League in Manchester which quite frankly, Salford could have been getting in the way of with others feeling at risk treading on their toes.[/u
Harsh but not worth the effort saving in my opinion.'"
I'd agree, if we had some of these.
Sadly, outside of Toulouse and some small hints at Sheffield, there isnt any club banging on the door of SL right now.
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"If you're going to call someone a to$$er (which, by the way, I wouldn't advise unless you don't want to post here again) it's better to know the facts. The cost of a nurse is not just their salary, it would also include employers National Insurance and pension which is likely to take it to over £25k. Which would be about 30, which last time I looked was nearer to 25 than 40.'"
Councils don't pay for nurses anyway so I'm not sure what everyone's arguing about...
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Councils don't pay for nurses anyway so I'm not sure what everyone's arguing about...'"
I know. The poster had already got on their high horse and became abusive when getting one simple thing wrong themselves. Lets not confuse them further by adding some new facts.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Except it isnt a financial bailout, and it says as much,
That is more to do with the huge amount of development work that Quins/London Broncos were doing in the south, it was the RFL taking on some more of those facilities rather than a big cash payout.'"
they said they were helping out with a support package which included help in the office and [ufinancial support[/u. Sounds like cash to me
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| Quote ="tigertot"And your credible solutions to the problems? It's easy & fashionable to make extreme statements, but, contrary to belief, there have been some decent talent on board with the RFL. Lindsay, Watkins, Waite, Walker, Lewis, Edwards are not stupid people & have struggled to make RL sustainable. No different from all major sports. Without huge TV revenue we are limited to what we can do. I am not a fan of Wood, but that is largely due to the image of a fat, stereotypical northerner he portrays to the media. What I would do different is for the RFL to take control of RL in London & direct development there, if the amateurish attempts there are to be believed.'"
Extreme statements???
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| high horse!! bit of a swing and a miss on the original post though don't you think??
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