I believe we will win by 15pts on sunday...

Hock & Carmont should hopefully be back to add to the team from last Monday to give us that extra edge

I hope we lose, but thats just me

Wigan by 20+.
We'll have too much pace around the outside.

Wigan Warriors 78
Celtic Crusaiders 4

I think we'll beat them by more than 18 points but with a crowd of under 10,000 watching.

You want shooting!

'Officially' the crowd will be much more than 10,000 due to season ticket sales already counting. It would be interesting to know the true amount of people inside the stadium on Sunday though.

I wonder if decreasing crowds rather than results will be the reason for IL to take action.

A girl i work with her dad is taking 15 people so far all on a freebee something to do with the TA. I even turned it down i am that p#ssed of with the way they are playing.

do they count season ticket holders who dont go?

i know 6 who wont be going as other things have come up

and who's going to drop a goal?....them or us ?

I'm told that 12000 is our break even figure - how close to that are we? IMO if we start to operate at a loss IL will be forced to act - or put his hand in his pocket.

Sadly i have to agree.

A loss must force the Chairmans hand, a win and a run of the traditional "lesser lights" in the league over the next few weeks if we beat Celtic could no doubt see us pick up 1 or 2 more wins and will ensure Noble moves back into the comfort zone despite his failings as a coach.

Taking into account our 10,000ish season ticket sales we need to get 2,000 walk down fans for every game?

Yes, as they in effect have already purchased a ticket for the game.

But are not in "attendance". Very misleading IMO. So much for electronic turnstyles. All we have to do is add the match ticket sales up then add it to the season ticket number. This results in a number in which I have zero interest. I want to know how many people have turned up to watch the game.

I can't understand why anyone would ever want us to lose.

Short term sacrifice for a long term improvement and growth.

A small price to pay for the greater good as we simply cannot continue in the same way that we have been for the last 2+ years. A win guarentees another week of Noble and further disapointment.

But a loss doesn't mean that he will go. Some elements on here would suggest that IL won't pay him off and he will stay for the full year regardless.

If a loss to Celtic does not see him go, i would fully expect IL to offer him a new deal for 2010 and beyond.

I find it very difficult to imagine that Noble would be retained if we lost to Celtic.

We have to pay him either way - either as a pay-off or as the remainder of his wages. It's unlikely we'd have a ready-made head coach waiting to step straight into the breach, so we'd probably promote a caretaker from downstairs.

I don't think it would cost us much less to see him go before the end of the season than it would to keep him on until the end.

If he went to another club by mutual consent, would we have to pay him then?

Noble is getting paid to the end of the season if he stays or if he is sacked ,
Shaun Wane is already at the club and is already getting paid so how much more would it cost to promote him to head coach till the end of the season.

Not much in my opinion

I would also, but im just warning against this seeming foregone conclusion that he will be gone IF we lose.



Dropping hints there?

Exactly right, he needs to go, the sooner the better IMO, losing to Cas or Wakey if they where in last place would not be a big catastrophe but losing to a newly promoted team in that position that has no wins would be a huge problem, Nobby the taxi's booked, do us a favour and do one.

Why because i don't bury my head in the sand and clap the team no matter what crap they serve up every week, last time i looked in the mirror i saw no sheep