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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"Last season Saints came fourth with twenty wins and ten defeats, but Cas were in fifth place with fifteen wins, a draw and fourteen defeats. Cas were also in fifth place in 2015 with a record of 16 wins and 14 defeats.
I had thought along the same lines as you, that we can only afford to lose 9 or 10 games to get in the top four however we need only be better than fifth place by a smaller margin than in the last two seasons. All of which is a ham-fisted way of saying that 12 or 13 defeats might still be okay.'"
I hadn't looked at it that way before actually, I feel a bit more confident knowing it might only take 33 points. 9 from the next 17 is very manageable even if we lose the next couple.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"I hadn't looked at it that way before actually, I feel a bit more confident knowing it might only take 33 points. 9 from the next 17 is very manageable even if we lose the next couple.'"
I'd be very surprised if 33 points is enough to get anybody 4th spot. You'd need one of the current top 4 to lose 10/11 of their remaining 17 games for that 33 to be good enough.
4th place has finished on 40 points last year and 38 the year before. Thats the kind of numbers teams should be looking at realistically.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"I'd be very surprised if 33 points is enough to get anybody 4th spot. You'd need one of the current top 4 to lose 10/11 of their remaining 17 games for that 33 to be good enough.
4th place has finished on 40 points last year and 38 the year before. Thats the kind of numbers teams should be looking at realistically.'"
That's what I thought initially be AUOP makes a valid point, 40 and 38 points was 4th was loads of room to spare, we don't necessarily have to be 4th with loads of room to spare, just 4th by 1 point would do
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| We should still be targeting 1st never mind settling for 4th.
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| No team will want to finish first if we finish 4th.
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| Quote ="Salty"No team will want to finish first if we finish 4th.'"
Wrong, Saints would
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"Wrong, Saints would
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| Do people think Bateman will play at Centre while Gelking and Gildart are out?
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| Any news on Sam Powell?
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| Quote ="CobraCraig"Do people think Bateman will play at Centre while Gelking and Gildart are out?'"
I think that would be our best option and it would also ease him back in physically. I don't think Forsyth is doing too bad a job but it would be nice to get some experience in the position.
You'd imagine if he's back on the field now he should be there or thereabouts for the Wire cup tie.
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| For me Bateman is too good a defender to be out in the centres. He often pops up making try saving tackles in the middle of the pitch.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"For me Bateman is too good a defender to be out in the centres. He often pops up making try saving tackles in the middle of the pitch.'"
OK, but you have to think that all four of our top backrowers (Lockers, Faz, Joel and Bateman) have to be included somewhere at the moment, with us being so short of experience throughout the side. None are really big enough to cover for Flower or Clubb at prop, so centre is the only position to put one of them, and Bateman is the best centre of the four.
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| Quote ="That Mon"Lockers spelled at prop'"
Lockers would be wasted at prop. Keep him at LF where he belongs.
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| Bateman at centre until Gildart or Gelling come back and then in to the back row with Joel Tomkins spelling in the front row for me. Willie Isa would then be available to rotate with Lockers at loose forward.
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| Oli said on Sunday that he expects to be back playing in about 6 weeks.
Made up, as I was concerned that that tackle could have ended at least his year and possibly more than that.
Guess he won't really know until he starts full impact training though.
Who knows whether there was any long-term damage. Hop not though.
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| Good interview with Gildart on the site. Running again and seems to be healing correctly. 6-8weeks
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| Quote ="Pie Eyed"Oli said on Sunday that he expects to be back playing in about 6 weeks.
Made up, as I was concerned that that tackle could have ended at least his year and possibly more than that.
Guess he won't really know until he starts full impact training though.
Who knows whether there was any long-term damage. Hop not though.'"
That is good news as like you I feared for the lad.
Fingers crossed for a speedy and healthy recovery.
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| Quote ="chapylad"That is good news as like you I feared for the lad.
Fingers crossed for a speedy and healthy recovery.'"
Gildart was in the South Stand bar before yesterday's game, mentioned he was back in training. He said 3-4 weeks before he's back.
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| Are Gelling and Flower done for the season or do we expect them back? All I have seen is long term'
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Are Gelling and Flower done for the season or do we expect them back? All I have seen is long term''"
Flower out for season, Gelling will be back .
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| Cas fan here and even I'm starting to feel genuinely sorry for you. We went through the same last year and it just gets beyond a joke.
I think you'll have some of your best players back for the super 8's but think it may be a bit too late to make the top 4.
Take the positives and you have some fantastic young players who have stepped in.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"Cas fan here and even I'm starting to feel genuinely sorry for you. We went through the same last year and it just gets beyond a joke.
I think you'll have some of your best players back for the super 8's but think it may be a bit too late to make the top 4.
Take the positives and you have some fantastic young players who have stepped in.'"
Thank you for your comments, I have to admit it is getting a tad frustrating. I remember Hull going through a similar thing a few years back too.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Are Gelling and Flower done for the season or do we expect them back? All I have seen is long term''"
From what I've seen only Flower & Escare are confirmed out for the season. However doubt we will see Manfredi either. That leaves quite a few to come back:
Joel & Burgess - Expected this weekend.
Gildart - 3/4 weeks.
Gelling - Unknown.
Bateman - This month.
Sam - Was due this month but rumoured longer (again).
Clubb - Surely another couple of months, hopefully sooner.
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