Quote ="Lucky XIII"Except that Liam Farrell wasn't Hansen's direct replacement. They are both fully fledged first-team players in their own right. I'd call neither a squad player. Hansen and Farrell were both in the squad when HH was ruled out. His direct replacement (i.e. the player who came into the 17 the week after to replace him) was Chris Tuson. So I urge you to have a look at his direct replacement: www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011'" Farrell is his direct replacement. Hansen was a starter and Faz on the bench, this naturally is a direct comparison when other factors like mins on the pitch and starts come into play. Tuson only has 6 appearances to his name, his minutes are going to be vastly less. Faz is the direct comparison, and as you can see is performing better. But you are naturally entitled to your opinion.

Quote ="Lucky XIII"Except that Liam Farrell wasn't Hansen's direct replacement. They are both fully fledged first-team players in their own right. I'd call neither a squad player. Hansen and Farrell were both in the squad when HH was ruled out. His direct replacement (i.e. the player who came into the 17 the week after to replace him) was Chris Tuson. So I urge you to have a look at his direct replacement: www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011'" Farrell is his direct replacement. Hansen was a starter and Faz on the bench, this naturally is a direct comparison when other factors like mins on the pitch and starts come into play. Tuson only has 6 appearances to his name, his minutes are going to be vastly less. Faz is the direct comparison, and as you can see is performing better. But you are naturally entitled to your opinion.

“Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.”

I seriously have nothing against Hansen, he's a solid player who works hard. I just have something against the abuse for suggesting he won't be missed.
Lets be honest, we have other players who can do what he can do, thankfully due to the depth we have in our squad.
In comparison if Lockers, Sam or Pat was injured long term we can't directly replace them.

That's the basis of it.

I agree. Our 18 and 30+ point defeats were because of kicking

I like it!

But it was the only way to directly answer the question in this instance.

Quote ="Conroy"I agree. Our 18 and 30+ point defeats were because of kicking '" wigan.rlfans.com/news.php?readmore=989

Quote ="Conroy"I agree. Our 18 and 30+ point defeats were because of kicking '" wigan.rlfans.com/news.php?readmore=989

I take it you watched the WCC?

Regardless of Pat missing the start of the season, he's contribution to the team can be reviewed separately. This, as the OP states is about Hansen.

Faz isn't a replacement for Hansen, he's a teammate playing at just as high a level in the same squad week in, week out. If the subs bench in RL worked the way it did in football, then maybe you'd have a point. But in Rugby League, the 4 on the bench are just as much a part of the squad for the game as the 13 who start on the field.

If you roughly half HH's stats seeing as he'd played 11 compared to Tuson's 6, he still performs consistently better.

And Madge made 2 changes to the 17 the week after Hansen got injured. Joel and Harrison out, Tuson and Goulding in. Surely that's the definition of DIRECT replacement? Or am I missing something?

Ah yes. So we missed 4 kicks that day that cost us did we? Here's me thinking they were the better side and scored more tries than us

.

We DREW this game with a last minute KICK by Sam Tomkins. You sure Pat would have kicked them all?

Here's a little quiz question for you:

Hansen is a first team starter for Wigan, he gets injured. Who the following week starts in the 1-13 line up?
The answer will give you his direct replacement.

For an extra point: how many games have Wigan lost in his absence?

Funny. I thought that too. It'd appear we're both morons and must bow down to the wisdom of LSOW...

"Inbred" I believe is the correct term.

Are you saying Pat is more likely to kick them than Sam?
Are you saying the man known as Superman doesn't do more than just kick? Do you remember where we had issues in the WCC?

Anyway, nice attempt to take me off the OP topic.

If you want to discuss the impact of Pat's absence we can do it in another thread.

I believe it is.

Our forwards? The fact they were better than us?

? What has this got to do with OP?

The answer will not give his direct replacement. The answer will give a player regularly included in the same squad as him. Again, I reiterate my point about the subs bench. If it worked the way it did in football, with a very limited number, no chance to bring a subbed player back on and not being allowed to utilise your full bench, then yes, you would be correct.
However, that's not how Rugby League works, thankfully. If you start the game as one of the four on the bench, you're extremely likely to get just as much game time as the man who starts in your position on the pitch. That does not make you his replacement.

And for my extra point, I addressed that issue in my very first post on this thread:

You asked the question.

Nothing. But it was you who brought this up:

I do see your point, seriously I do. I value Hansen for his contribution namely in defense. But then I look at a few other factors which are the other players we have in the backrow, and the results from the games he was out, and then in all honesty if someone were to say did we miss him? I say, no, not really.

We covered well and won our games. Hats off to squad depth.

I shouldn't have allowed myself to go off topic. I did it as people were pecking my head for comparisons to other notable absences, naturally I mentioned Pat.

Anyway...

And to that extent I agree with you. Based purely on results we've not missed him.

Based on how the squad has performed, that's open to interpretation, and the majority would seem to indicate that we have.

In the future, try to refrain from making massively sweeping statements about a player (who is very popular amongst the fans) and his contribution to the squad, and then not expecting to have your head bitten off.

We're done here.

Cheers for the tip. I usually expected a more intelligent response from people which doesn't always happen.

Thank you for providing decent discussion without any abuse.

All done.