Quote ="Mark1987"Drop a great winger Roberts, who's slowly getting use to the way the club works and runs. and play an unproven young lad'" wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... age_id=871 [uUnproven Young Lad (whose also getting used to the way the club works and runs)[/u 11 Starts - 17 Tries. [uGreat winger Roberts, who's slowly getting use to the way the club works and runs.[/u 18 Starts - 4 Tries. I know which one i'd have.

Quote ="Mark1987"Drop a great winger Roberts, who's slowly getting use to the way the club works and runs. and play an unproven young lad'" wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... age_id=871 [uUnproven Young Lad (whose also getting used to the way the club works and runs)[/u 11 Starts - 17 Tries. [uGreat winger Roberts, who's slowly getting use to the way the club works and runs.[/u 18 Starts - 4 Tries. I know which one i'd have.

Im sure if Roberts played down the left he would have scored alot more tries. I would keep the team as it is.

So do I.

The one that's performed 5/6 try saving tackles this season, the one thats scored 104 tries in 180 games in the best rugby comp in the world.

He's being dealt with the right way in my opinion. I really want him to play, but say he's gets 3games were his just bombed and bombed. Isn't good for you at all. Once he shows he can deal with the high kicks in the reserves he may get a chance too.

Sick of hearing about it really.

seconded, it will be great to be proven right with roberts comes up to speed with it

I agree mate.

I would love to see Ainscough in the team I really would however at the moment (through no fault of his own) he will be a target and then it will be sink or swim. Either he handles the attention he will uncountable be getting from the opposition and his confidence will be up. Or he fails to deal with them and gets stick from the "I told you so" fans both on here and in the stands.

I feel sorry for the lad, there has been so much hysteria stirred up by us lot that he is at an unfair disadvantage from a lot of young players, saying that, he will have to overcome all these obstacles and more if he is to become one of the top wingers in the game.

The thing that worries me the most is that the form he had earlier in the season came from the confidence he had gained from an initial excellent game and the momentum carried on and on up until he was dropped (unfairly IMO) after a 4 try game at wakey. As we all know confidence is a valuable commodity in sport and that could of been affected by what appears to me as witch hunting by a lot a fans (on here especially).
The one thing that can be guaranteed is that Shaun has a cracking attitude and his hunger to get back in the first team must be massive at the moment. I am certain that when he returns he will exercise his demons and shut the doubters up once and for all

I do know that part of the reason he not playing is the S/C . The clause were a player plays so many first team games has to be counted ..or some like that..i coach the U8s at hindley with his mate.

He ok about it tho and has vowed to train as hard as he can and get better because he knows he is still learning...great attitude from the lad really...

That rumour was rubbished by Ian Lenegan a few weeks back.

The fact there are some "I told you so fans" re Ainscough/Roberts as evidenced by at least one post in this thread amazes me. In my opinion Ainscough's so called problem in defence was over hyped as a justification for Noble dropping him by Noble's supporters on here.

If Ainscough had played like Roberts on Friday it certainly would have been "I told you so" from some fans.

Defensively there is nothing in it between Roberts and Ainscough (look at ttheir stats). Attack-wise Ainscough is ahead by some distance so I really do not see why some are so keen on Roberts unless it is because that would mean disagreeing with Noble.




I think the main person responsible for any confidence sapping is not the fans as there are plenty who can see past the odd mistake but Noble who when asked about Ainscough by the media never fails to add in a negative comment, no dount in my mind to justify the fact he would eventually drop him.



That depends on whether or not they watch his game waiting for the odd error or view his game a whole.

Dave

It's pretty obvious he's been benched because his media image is letting the club down.

After all, we are living in the era where perception is reality.

DON'T BITE

What do you think of Ainscough's defence whilst he's been playing in the reserves?

Afterall, it's those performances where his defence will be judged on.

Has Rogues hacked into your account Alex?

No, but to compare Ainscough's and Roberts defence' you have to actually see it opposed to looking on a stats site. Unfortunately, stats sites do not show positional play, circumstances, opposition players and tackle assists.

Ainy's defence has always been solid and the fact he has been outjumped a few occasions this season is just people what are looking for a reason for him to be dropped. People saying nobody deserves to be dropped at present as they are playing well, but he got dropped the week after scoring 4 tries. Brilliant confidence boost for the young ones that!

He was dangerous all the way through the reserve game on Saturday solid in defence, think i can recall one occasion where he got out jumped but no try resulted from it.

fair enough....just sayin what i been told.......

And as we keep being told by those Category 1++++++++++++ fans who love telling us they go watching the reserves, its actually a house comp that doesn't prepare a player for SL, hence why our better young players are now generally being sent out on loan.

I've never been to a reserve game in my life, but don't need to, to know what Ainscough's weaknesses are. By the same token I also know that if other players (not just Roberts) were judged in the same way Ainscough has been in terms of defensive weaknesses and errors they should have been dropped/rested, whatever you want to call it as well, but haven't.

The whole "have you seen him in the reserves" argument is bollox when he's played more than enough games in the first team for anyone to make a judgement.

I agree actually and one try he scored on Saturday was superb.

The only problem is, the opposition aren't as naive as some of our supporters. They know if Ainscough plays they know that he's a weakness under the high ball. It sometimes comes across as though it's a massive deal but unfortunately it is and they will pepper him. That will affect his confidence more than anything until he learns to cope.

I've said time and time again that he will learn to improve that side of his game and when he does, it will contribute to an already awesome attacking player.

He's young, talented and has a fantastic future ahead of him providing he develops correctly and I think he will.

Why are you trying to make out that those who do watch the reserves are suggesting that they're better than supporters who don't? They're not, so stop being so insecure. Supporters who do watch the reserves get to see certain players more regulary against lesser opposition which means they are able to comment on things such as defence and attack and general all round play.

I couldn't give a toss whether people watch the reserves or not and I'm certainly not insecure about - why would I be?

However, there are some on here who trot out the "have you seen him in the reserves" argument when in a corner, as if the holder of some superior knowledge. You did it on the last page when you know the answer is no - so why ask it at all?

Like I said Ainscough's played more than enough first team games for anyone to know his strentgths and weaknesses in relation to other first teamers so the whole "have you seen him in the reserves" argument is redundant.

Rather like you do with O'Loughlin eh Dave?

Aussie's come first for noble.

For some reason you seem to accuse those who highlight that fact they've been to a reserve game that they are claiming to be better fans. This isn't the case, they are just in a better position to comment on a players form rather than somebody who only saw them in a first team game weeks earlier...Obviously?



I asked Dave the question of whether he'd been to the game or not. How am I meant he know he hadn't? I wasn't presuming anything. Of course it's an argument in a reserve watchers corner, they have actually seen the player in question play!



But unfortunately, form dips and performances in the reserve grade is a basis of whether your deemed ready for the first team or not. If you're playing well/poorly in the game or in certain criteria, it will affect whether you will be picked for the first team game. So viewing a players performance in reserves in NOT redundant.

I actually don't think they claim to be better fans (the whole Cat 1++++ thing was tongue in cheek) - well some probably do. I actually believe some think they have some superior knowledge on players and like to trot out the "have you seen him in the reserves" line.

Knowing the opinions of some on here who watch the reserves you assume way too much in terms of them being in a better position to judge anything, form or otherwise.



In relation to Ainscough (which is after all what this is about) I've read nothing to suggest his form has completely collapsed since his house game of only scoring 4 tries at Wakey.



I don't go to reserve games, I don't generally contribute to the reserve threads, I don't always read them, I don't have the mod responsibilities of reading posts and threads I wouldn't bother with otherwise to make sure posts are ok, and I'm not his stalker, but I'm 99.9999999999% certain DaveO doesn't go to reserve games. In fact I bet you could name nearly everyone who regularly posts on here who goes to the reserves.

Like I said why ask the question when you already know the answer.

But yet again in relation to Ainscough it doesn't matter as we all know the answer.



Ainscough wasn't playing poorly overall before he was dropped. His strengths far outweigh his weakness for me and as I've already pointed out, most people who watch the reserves do not think it is any kind of preparation for the first team, in which Ainscough has more than held his own so far.

Watching reserve rugby good players with first team experience should be outstanding.
Sam Tomkins does that.

Ainscough however looks a good player but not an outstanding one.

He could in time become a great Wigan player, but he could become a Joey Hayes.

Only time will tell. There a some things he needs to work on to make it to the top level, and I'm led to believe that he is aware of these and working hard at training.

I'm quite happy with that, and I'll be watching his progress at all levels.