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| Well we could all sit there on Thursday and moan (entirely justified IMO and some would say what I usually do!), or we could get behind the idea of a London side and chant 'London, London' all game and show the world that we believe in the concept. We may agree that the present administration, coaches and most players don't deserve our support but we are London RL fans who love the game and would hate for it it to be destroyed by the present incumbents.
This club has lasted for 33 years and the least we can do it is give it a good send off (if that is what it is). We could also keep quiet and tie ourselves to the mast and let the damn thing slip quietly beneath the waves.
I remember West Ham getting tonked in a FA Cup semi-final and their fans chanted the whole game, the Gateshead Thunder fans support their team despite rarely winning and finishing bottom every year.
Let us rise above this pile of dross! Any ideas welcome!
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| It will only take 1,000 of us with £1,000 each
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| The club exists because of and for its fans, take ownership of the situation, show the world that you give a sheeeit and get behind your club in a positive way. Force change through positivity, if nothing else its more enjoyable for you.
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| Quote ="nkpom"It will only take 1,000 of us with £1,000 each'"
My football team and my hometown is Exeter City which is a trust run team, for which I and over 3000 other ECFC fans pay GBP250 per year.
I don't have time nor do I have the knowledge to take this forward, but with my background in helping SME's and big multinationals transform the way they do business and make them run more efficiently, I am able to provide whatever help I can if someone has the drive to do the unthinkable. Buy London Bronco's, and run it as a fan based trust.
I have an amount of cash doing nothing, not mega amounts but a sizable amount. If someone has the drive to look into it and to possible try and secure funds from fans and other sources to buy the club from David Hughes, then I and others can be on hand to provide advice, and guidance in this process.
If necessary, I get us in touch with the Exeter City FC Trust board so they can give us an overview of the history regarding how they started, how they implemented their idea, problems they faced from the start right through to the evolution of where the trust is today 9 years down the track.
I am sure that there are people who post here which collectively have the knowledge, skillsets and experience to make this happen. The question is though, who is putting their hand(s) up and seriously look at this?
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| Quote ="nkpom"It will only take 1,000 of us with £1,000 each'"
What will? Because it is certainly not enough to run the club in it's current state.
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| If you find 1,000 to put a K in that would only fund us for 6 months! At best you could start a Championship side but the 1,000 would still have to pay £250 a year ongoing.
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| A supporters' trust owned-Broncos would have to start outside Super League, I agree. However, that might not be a bad thing as there would inevitably be a steep learning curve and that might be best undertaken at a lower level. I would contribute £hundreds per year if I thought it was being spent by someone other than Gus.
Trouble is, the Championship and Championship 1 are in a sorry old state, left to drift by the RFL. P+R and a sensible share of the central funding might resolve this.
But count me in as a very small investor of £ but not much by way of time/effort/organisation/know-how I'm afraid.
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| I'm really heartened by the positive responses on the fan owned idea. I am genuine in my belief in this, and I don't think if this were to happen that the club would have to leave Super League.
Its too early to say what the commitment would be - what decisions are the current administration making that a new administration would have to honour?
The £1,000 or whatever it turned out to be would be an annual commitment of course, but I am convinced we can turn it around.
We only need visit one of an assortment of GF posts to see the financial implications of restoring crowd numbers, but I can't believe that a modern well run football club has to be a drain on a sugar daddy.
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| You would get 10 at most willing to put a K in.
GF will sell you some Daffs for the roundabout
Ding Ding in the committee-Very northern
We can't get 30 for a bus trip to an away game!!
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| Given the sums required, and the low support base, the possible way forward would be what Pompey Trust have done. They identified supporters "of high net worth" who put in substantial sums, minimum of £50k I think. Without that assistance I think the sums would be hugely challenging. A recent Trust led attempt to get Aldershot Town FC into community ownership failed with "only" £82k raised. Their active support base is probably bigger than ours at the moment. I actually support the only Trust owned ice hockey team, it's fair to say it is hard work keeping them afloat year on year without a sugar daddy.
Anyone seriously considering this route should contact Supporters Direct for advice. There would be huge challenges but London is a relatively wealthy part of the UK so it might just be possible. I suspect SD would suggest researching potential support, both in membership and money if a fan takeover became possible, early in the process. Whether it would be worth proceeding would emerge rather quickly I suspect.
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| Go to the game, chant louder than you've ever done face the wrong way like the Poznan, to show your displeasure at the offerings.
or burn your shirts
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| Quote ="Halfdan of t'wide embrace"Given the sums required, and the low support base, the possible way forward would be what Pompey Trust have done. They identified supporters "of high net worth" who put in substantial sums, minimum of £50k I think. Without that assistance I think the sums would be hugely challenging. A recent Trust led attempt to get Aldershot Town FC into community ownership failed with "only" £82k raised. Their active support base is probably bigger than ours at the moment. I actually support the only Trust owned ice hockey team, it's fair to say it is hard work keeping them afloat year on year without a sugar daddy.
Anyone seriously considering this route should contact Supporters Direct for advice. There would be huge challenges but London is a relatively wealthy part of the UK so it might just be possible. I suspect SD would suggest researching potential support, both in membership and money if a fan takeover became possible, early in the process. Whether it would be worth proceeding would emerge rather quickly I suspect.'"
i imagine they'll advise that to form a supporter's trust, you first need supporters
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| To be honest if you are forming a Trust with a view to running the club you need money, more accurately access to money, plus some key skill sets. Mass support is very useful but not essential if you can drum up the money. Money would be the issue to my eyes.
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| I will point out again; investors look for a return. You are in fairyland if you think business investors don't consider this. If anyone can specify what return London Broncos supply I will be most obliged. What some of you are looking for is more in the way of charity, and there are many more worthy charities than a broken down rugby club.
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| Time to bring the pants out and put them on your head (clean ones mind)
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Quote ="Halfdan of t'wide embrace"To be honest if you are forming a Trust with a view to running the club you need money, more accurately access to money, plus some key skill sets. Mass support is very useful but not essential if you can drum up the money. Money would be the issue to my eyes.'"
This is a very good point.
Back in 2003 when Exeter City were hours away from being no more, our directors and owners did'nt really give a toss (and were subsequently jailed for fraud a few months after this episode), a few weeks beforehand two diehard fans went on to the ExeWeb forums and put the idea out there of buying and running ECFC as a trust based community club.
It is very important to point out that many people on ExeWeb forum scoffed at the idea, just denounced it as fantasy, and the feedback was much the same as what is being written here.
But the fact of the matter was that the whole aim of the trust is to ensure ECFC is run by the fans, for the fans. But it is not just that. When the club became trust owned we were 1.5 million in debt, relegated to the conference, and it just seemed all was lost. It took two people with persistence to make this happen with the help of a lot of other fan giving up their free time to provide assistance in their given fields (including me).
Yes the fact that we drew Man Utd in the 3rd round of the FA cup at Old Trafford in 2004 helped clear most of the debt. But as with any business the trust had to have a tangible vision which could be achieved within the budgetary limits of the Club. This vision was called 'V10', the aim of getting form Conference to L1 in 8 seasons. Business plans, and processes were implemented to how we can achieve this ( I actually had 4 pages of input into this document). This included detailed near term goals, medium term goals and ultimately the L1 goal.
We achieved promotion to L2 in 2007, and L1 the next season.
This is the most important point this post. It is just not a point of buying the club, if we are going to do this we need to outline a visions for the club (realistic visions).
In addition to people on here saying that there still will not be enough money with just us, the vision we adopt as the basis of the trust must include how we increase revenue streams, or find efficiencies in how we do business (which I can help with, it's my bread and butter),
You may have already done your homework and may have done a google on our Exeter City trust, you may have read that our manager Paul Tisdale has had his budget cut recently. I must stress that ECFC are not in financial trouble, we are actually one of the few clubs in L2 who actually post a profit (a small one). The ECFC trust will not go down that road of reckless spending without the vision, and without comprehensive reasoning for doing anything we do. We are the flag bearers when it comes to trust owned clubs, and the fans feel more empowered in the running of their club.
If anyone is driven enough to make this happen, then please PM me, I will be in touch and we can start this moving. Please note I am based in Aussie at the moment but I am in London (Twickenham) next week if you wish to meet over a pint.
Here is the link to our website should you want a squizz www.ecfcst.org.uk/home/trust-history/
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This is a very good point.
Back in 2003 when Exeter City were hours away from being no more, our directors and owners did'nt really give a toss (and were subsequently jailed for fraud a few months after this episode), a few weeks beforehand two diehard fans went on to the ExeWeb forums and put the idea out there of buying and running ECFC as a trust based community club.
It is very important to point out that many people on ExeWeb forum scoffed at the idea, just denounced it as fantasy, and the feedback was much the same as what is being written here.
But the fact of the matter was that the whole aim of the trust is to ensure ECFC is run by the fans, for the fans. But it is not just that. When the club became trust owned we were 1.5 million in debt, relegated to the conference, and it just seemed all was lost. It took two people with persistence to make this happen with the help of a lot of other fan giving up their free time to provide assistance in their given fields (including me).
Yes the fact that we drew Man Utd in the 3rd round of the FA cup at Old Trafford in 2004 helped clear most of the debt. But as with any business the trust had to have a tangible vision which could be achieved within the budgetary limits of the Club. This vision was called 'V10', the aim of getting form Conference to L1 in 8 seasons. Business plans, and processes were implemented to how we can achieve this ( I actually had 4 pages of input into this document). This included detailed near term goals, medium term goals and ultimately the L1 goal.
We achieved promotion to L2 in 2007, and L1 the next season.
This is the most important point this post. It is just not a point of buying the club, if we are going to do this we need to outline a visions for the club (realistic visions).
In addition to people on here saying that there still will not be enough money with just us, the vision we adopt as the basis of the trust must include how we increase revenue streams, or find efficiencies in how we do business (which I can help with, it's my bread and butter),
You may have already done your homework and may have done a google on our Exeter City trust, you may have read that our manager Paul Tisdale has had his budget cut recently. I must stress that ECFC are not in financial trouble, we are actually one of the few clubs in L2 who actually post a profit (a small one). The ECFC trust will not go down that road of reckless spending without the vision, and without comprehensive reasoning for doing anything we do. We are the flag bearers when it comes to trust owned clubs, and the fans feel more empowered in the running of their club.
If anyone is driven enough to make this happen, then please PM me, I will be in touch and we can start this moving. Please note I am based in Aussie at the moment but I am in London (Twickenham) next week if you wish to meet over a pint.
Here is the link to our website should you want a squizz www.ecfcst.org.uk/home/trust-history/
Andrew
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| Quote ="wire quin"You would get 10 at most willing to put a K in.'"
Agreed....
Quote ="wire quin"GF will sell you some Daffs for the roundabout'"
Urban myth but they are nice flowers all the same
Quote ="wire quin"Ding Ding in the committee-Very northern'"
I can see the gaslight lit room already
Quote ="wire quin"We can't get 30 for a bus trip to an away game!!'"
speak for yourself....cracked 45+ both times I ran them.
If you want to replace Hughes then you need £1.25 million a year to waste over 5 years, with a clear and concise business plan submitted and regularly audited by the RFL....or, 4,000 fans per game worth £25 each!
Kind of puts my decade of marketing and attendance rants into perspective now doesn't it!
BTW....in my humble opinion, Fan buy-outs are for lower division soccer teams with their own grounds, 3 generation histories and aspirations of climbing the football league and not failing RL clubs with a 1 generation history, no ground to call home and who already at the top table.
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If you want to replace Hughes then you need £1.25 million a year to waste over 5 years, with a clear and concise business plan submitted and regularly audited by the RFL....or, 4,000 fans per game worth £25 each!
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Yes, but the point is that this is a very badly managed club that is leaking £1m a year. A well managed club, on the other hand ...
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| I first broached this subject back in 2011, and quite a few on here were interested enough to PM and e-mail me with broad support. I did contact Supporters Direct and had an initial exchange with Gus - I agree its a massive task but I did feel at that time that the current administration was not one to do business with! I even kicked off a web presence [urlhttp://rllist.wordpress.com/[/url.
I've continued to agonise about this and have taken advice from people I trust who also love the game, but we're heading towards oblivion and my mantra to myself that "all I can do is turn up every week" doesn't cut it with me anymore!
The comment about the Pompey Trust recruiting members willing to invest way in excess of others is a good one - I think this is the case with the Rochdale Hornets Trust. We would only find out if we kicked the process off - a process I'm happy to be heavily involved with. Feel free to PM me with your input on this.
GF has a good point about where Trusts have been successful so far, and the history point is well made. But a Super League club runs on a much lower budget that most if not all Football League clubs - and its Super League or nothing for this club as far as I can see.
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| Good to read some positive thoughts!
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| Quote ="nkpom"
The comment about the Pompey Trust recruiting members willing to invest way in excess of others is a good one '"
Agreed.
To raise big money there needs to be an acknowledgement that some folk - perhaps a lot - will stump up £100 or £250 a season but only a tiny few will be willing and able to donate £1k+. It is turning these few into £5k, £10k, £50k donors that is the key.
I would say that we should make this thread a sticky and conduct our business in public as well as via PM.
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| Id be happy to commit to £200 a year for a 5 year period. Realistically I think you could get 1000 people to do that with some effort, but that's only £200k a year.
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| 1.5 players covered just 23.5 to go
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| Quote ="wire quin"1.5 players covered just 23.5 to go'"
That's it, keep taking the p*ss. It's bound to help.
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| Keep living in Disneyland it's bound to help.
Maybe you could explain what 200k will get us!! Hughsey puts in 2 million a year...and that gets you 14th place in the league with a 2 k crowd
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