I think thats the post that finally rules you out of any more meaningful debate.

Some people appear to be obsessed about living in the past.

So an untried coach(a coaching staff 33% less than last year), reduced playing roster, a back field to play on.........

Let's look forward

I am not living in the past, but simply pointing out that whilst we've moved from the Stoop to the Hive to the Trailfinders, had McDermott, Powell, Rea, Grima, Henderson and now ward as coaches, we've finished as the 11th, 12th, 13th 13th 13th, 16th, 15th and 15th placed sides in the country and have accepted a widely accepted figure of 2,000,000 per year as well as central funding with little to show for it, we have not made any progress in any shape or form.....the Kids getting a couple of results is great, but not 2 million a year great.....and certainly not 16 million over 8 seasons great either!

Looking ahead.......just for you LU2, I suspect that we will miss out on the Qualifiers in 2018 as we have a weaker squad than 2017 and a coach who's in his infancy in terms of coaching abilities. We will be up against Toronto and Leigh who are both far stronger than us and will as usual be the "target" for the part time sides to beat. Fev and Fax as well as the French look stronger and I suspect that if we have another mediocre season then Hughes will probably see us go part time and that will be it for the club as a viable SL entity.

To ignore the mistakes of the past and even in some instances repeat them is stupid and if they keep making the same errors, then I am afraid that the past will always be brought up.......But.....CURRENTLY, Our CEO was an accountant by trade and not a sports administrator with any experience of managing a company and our General Manager is freelance presenter by trade.....that's it for full time named back office staff.....our Coach was Coach of the U19's who lost 12 from 12 in 2015....and we have form in promoting youth coaches to the top job. Our current sponsors are suppliers and start ups delivering little if any tangible income and we play out of a ground that can only be described as quaint....and we have the same guy paying the same bills every year......he is the one constant at the club over the last decade and at some stage he has to see that he is the problem.

I have no doubt I'll trundle along to a game when I am next in the area and probably buy another replica shirt to go with the ever increasing (in number and sizing) collection, but it really is depressing to think how badly we have been run and how different is SHOULD have been!

3 years 20 years 6 months. Makes no difference, everything monkeylover has said is spot on.


I think thats the post that finally rules you out of any more meaningful debate.


Why?
Are you saying that you can only make informed comments about the club if you have got a certain amount of time watching the club?
Quote, "it really is depressing to think how badly we have been run and how different it should have been"
Quote " I am not living in the past"
2 comments in the same post seem to say totally opposite things.
Ah well

I'm sorry. I assumed English was your mother tongue......reminiscing is not living in the past

Living in the past would be me posting a 25 point marketing strategy designed to make the club sustainable in the top tier....not pointing out that we are pretty much buggered because of the insane decisions of the owner...that is Lamenting what has happened.

Answer me this.
In 2012 Hughes invested 2 million in the club and we had a 3k average delivering 39,000 fans and about 600k in income over 11 games. Then.........we reverted to our old name, then moved, then moved again and have been relegated....yet in 2016 when we averaged 634 and and took about 190,000 at the gate in 15 games, Hughes invested the same amount.....2 million.......so tell me.....at which stage do you think his master plan for London Broncos will start to bear fruit?

Dog, if you want to get into a widdling contest and living in the past. Read your own post, reference to previous two grounds reference to previous 5 coaches, stated our league position over an 8 year period, do I need to go on?
You spend your whole time telling us over and over why in your opinion we are where we are. Not really sure why, you can't change it, and more to the point me you wire quin or anyone else on here can actually do anything about it!
As for you question, how much was going into the club from mr lenegan? How much goes into keeping wakey/Hudds/KR afloat? Sort of stuff you seem to know?
The point! Unless you can come up with the funding to keep the club going then you have to accept the decisions of those that can.

What has all of this cr*p got to do with Matt Davies this board has gone back to what it was a one man's gripe against the Broncos owner.

It has got something to do with the signing of Davies, as someone who wasn't good enough two months ago now becomes our back up half. Thats how the connection between Davies and Hughes comes in.

His signing is a shocker and the only one we've seen since Wardy took over.

There has been a lot of talk about how much money DH is putting into the club and how much the club generates! I don't know the answer to this q but how much does it cost to run a club like KR, Leigh, wakey, Hudds????? Clubs that get arguably the smaller crowds in SL.
As a club broncos are limited by what can be realistically funded! Bradford are a prime example of what happens if you spend outside your means.
So the choices, the club recruits within its means with the income it has at the moment. The club asks DH to dig deep to shell out more, doubt that will happen.
Difficulty is how do you get new money? You can't call it an investment as whoever comes in is not going to get anything back.
Maybe with Toronto NY etc etc etc RL is on the cusp of something new! Will that generate enough interest to get new money in to the English game? The RFU have just announced a massive financial investment in there game so money for sport is about.

So is signing Matt such a shock.
What did we think when we first signed the likes of Dixon, lms, walker, all local lads given the chance, maybe wards sees summat in him hendo didn't, all we can do is wait and see.

Exactly.

Hull FC released Chris Green for not being good enough. He went back amateur before returning to the club and winning 2 Challenge Cup Finals on the bounce. I appreciate the gap was bigger than Davies but my point is different coaches see different things.

If Wardy rate Davies then why not resign him. Hendo has gone and whatever he thought of players means nothing now.

Henderson going doesn't bother me. He went as far as he could and is now an asst which will be better for him just taking coaching sessions

I think what I'm saying is we lost the Frog and Ackers in 2 critical positions. Currently all we have done is bring in a kid rejected 2 months ago to replace them. It seems like a statement of where we are at.

So let's ignore the 2017 coach of the years opinion and instead wait and see what an average youth coach can do.......YEAH, WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG HERE

Really. Perhaps another perspective is we had enough halves and he was being released as there was not space to fund his position when cover or just personnel in other positions was more important. Suddenly Barthau and the other one leave so keeping Davies is more appropriate to the balance of the squad.

While I may agree that he is not the full package at present, it doesn’t mean the club would not have preferred to keep him in the first place.

If this is correct then it means we are spending the full cap. If we are spending the full cap, then why in gods name are we not employing a proven coach? No disrespect to Ward, but other than the fluke promotion of Henderson, our track record at employing coaches since Mac has been the fundamental cause of our demise. It seems the only ability the coach of the Broncos needs is the ability to say "yes' to the owner.


This thread is about the Matt Davies signing and the subsequent opinion of some fans that this is not a good thing. The fact that the owner is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the current scenario at the club makes his track record a valid topic within this thread. Instead of whining, why not simply contribute with an alternate point of view, or ignore the thread....it's how forums work!

Dog, change the record.
We know! Fact DH is the club owner neither me or you can change that.
Wardy is the coach neither me or you can change it
Matt is back on the books for good or bad neither me and you can change it.
Everything is DH fault yep we get it! Nowt any of us can do about it.

....don't be so sure.

You come into some money then

Not at all.....and If I did it would't be put into the 'sink hole" that the current club is!

There are interested parties from 2 sources that I know of....but the sticking points are:
a/ Purchase with no debt...walk away Mr Hughes and even I will chip in for your leaving gift!
b/ Licencing to return with the conduit that any "new" club would run academy and under age sides.
c/ 25%+ allowance for the cap and no requirement for federation trained players, with this restriction added after 3 years and a reduction in overseas players agreed on year on year.
d/ The RFL to actively support (no mention of finance) the expansion into the London area with administrative and office based team(s)

The game can't have its cake and eat it......if it wants proper expansion then the RFL need to step up to the plate. Toronto is great but actually adds little at present and it is highly unlikely that the Canadians or Yanks will be competitive by 2025 and extremely likely that we will see RLWC games played in empty arenas....but London will deliver 50k for games in a heartbeat if done properly.

So as I said nowt any f US can do about it!
You do send out an interesting message though, so even if you had the money you would not spend it on the club as in yr view it's a sink hole! Yet you criticise the bloke that does.
As for what you suggest is the stumbling block item c are you suggesting that for every club, or you saying we should have preferential treatment

1. It is a sink hole because he made it one......I wouldn't put a cent into the current club in the current ground and the current division...which point ot my comment about franchising being key.
2. Hughes wanted out in 2013 but wanted money from the "new owner" if one could be found and that is what killed the Broncos as a viable entity.
3. Yes...preferential treatment for London and not the north......or are you too a believer that Tongas recent RLWC glory is down to hard work in Tonga and not just more Kiwis playing but under a flag of convenience?
Tongan domestic RL is poorer than Cornwalls and will receive little if any benefit from the 14 Kiwis and 3 Aussies who made up the majority of their 19..........if you just expect people to take up the game it doesn't work........so yes, expansion teams need to be able to sign foreigners......how would the wolfpack have fared in 2017 with only Canadians?

1 but would not any new owner be feeding the sink hole
2. Why should he give it away.
3. We have already had a period where we had preferential treatment, the majority of northern fans still think we do. We have been around for 30 plus years, how can london be classed as an expansion team? Wolfpack, don't know maybe they should have tried it.
What has tonga got to do with anything?

..Yep, but any new owner with the level of wealth required would most likely have a plan and a strategy......not just write cheque after cheque and expect that to work!
Because he's sick of losing money apparently.......but will continue to do so until someone gives him something back

If he's given us away at the end of 2013, he'd be about 8 million quid better off by now!
Because we are an expansion side, as are the Melbourne Storm and NZ Warriors in the NRL.....as for preferential treatment, let the northerners whine....to have any credence as a sport in the U it's key to having a capital presence!
If they'd fielded canadians across the board they'd be in Ch1 and their backer would have run for the hills by now....
...because Tonga would now be classed as a "go to place" for expansion, but the reality is that Tongan born players made up 8% of that Squad.....again showing that to expand the game, you need to permit players coming from anywhere for it to be successful......Look at the Storm.Without their Queensland Spine they'd have never won a thing.....without cheating their way to titles they may well have failed, but Victorians are a funny bunch......once the Storm were "outed" as cheats, interest in the club went up......
London, like Tonga internationally and the Storm in the NRL need to be allowed to field players from anywhere in their first team JUST AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE TO DEVELOP KIDS THROUGH THE AGE GROUPS AND ACADEMY.......


....but it doesn't matter, because Hughes will flush another couple of million this year whilst hanging out for someone to pay him money for a club with 0 assets and 300 season ticket holders

Ok dog at least try and come up with a logical argument.
You yourself have said if you had the money you would not pump it into a sink hole, bit I thought you had all the answers!
You say he is sick of losing money therefore that's why he should give it away, but on the other hand you have said he will not give it away he wants something for it, make yr mind up, it can't be both.
To have credence as a sport we need a rep team in the capital! But if you give that team in the capital an advantage over every other team you lose any credibility.
Toronto play in the English league so they abide by the rules of that league, same as Catalan next thing you will suggest is Leeds should only field yorkshiremen.
So Tonga by yr logic bin wales scotland Ireland USA Lebanon Samoa

When did I ever claim that?
All I have ever said is the answer isn't David Hughes!

I did have plenty of ideas on how to get bigger crowds and more media attention, but....well we al know what road the club took.

As for binning Wales, Scotland, Samoa, Lebanon and the USA...bin them away......18% of their squads were local born the rest come from the 2 countries where the Pro divisions exists.....bin Wales Rugby League and see if anyone notices! There's not 1 club in Scotland.....would anyone care? Ireland? Lebanon where it's a university sport...Samoa who have a shambolic domestic comp......Jesus, even the NRL with its Billions are losing cash.......all because there are few people like Perez involved and plenty of Hughes and Woods...