For a laugh

1. Grix
Utterly woeful. Shouldnt have displaced Eden imo.

2. Murphy.
One shocking dropped catch under no preassure. Other than that, didnt do bad. He isnt anything but cover for the backs imo.

3. Gilly
Mediocre. Absent. Lacks pace for the centres. Past his sell by for a team with top 4 aspirations

4. Cudjoe.
World Class today. Should have had the try awarded.

5. Gerry
Boy have we missed him running from deep!

6. Brown
Like his namesake. Got to Go.

7. Brough.
Did his very best as ever, top notch and what a 40-20

8. Crabtree
Usain Crabtree played big minutes almost singlehandedly against the Wire pack. Proved his credentials as an outstanding forward, but cant do it all alone

9. Moore
Good first half IMO, great support for his try. Didnt see him in the first half since Brown has to have all the hookers int he world take a turn

10. Mason
Not good enough, too easily bossed today.

11. Fa'Alogo
Apart from his barnstorming run to set up the try for Moore was pretty anonymous IMO. Had to spend too much effort defending due to our lack of props

12. Ferguson
See 11.

13. Bruno
Worked hard, defended well but isnt a 13 I dont think

14. Robinson
Made us play a bit more direct, lacked ball runners at times. Typifies the problem with so many hookers in that as soon as we change there are too many chiefs

15. Faiumu
His big step and offload only works if there are ball carriers and go forward...of only he had held that ball or got the pass away

16. Patrick
Well marshalled by a dominant Wire pack. Didnt seem to be on for long

17. Fairbank
Didnt notice him that much. Again, too much work against a bigger pack
Worked hard

1. Grix
Had a nightmare. Felt sorry for him as he's been at stand off all year

2. Murphy.
One big mistake. Was ok.

3. Gilly
Very poor centre play. Blew chances that Wardle would have made more of.

4. Cudjoe.
Superb

5. Gerry
A good comeback game

6. Brown
Poor. confidence is shot

7. Brough.
As usual ran his heart out. Hope we can hang on to him

8. Crabtree
World class and true heart chasing back the break

9. Moore
A few bright patches. But unfit and slow.

10. Mason
Not good enough. Passed his sell by date

11. Fa'Alogo
Pretty unmemorable

12. Ferguson
Worked hard for little reward

13. Bruno
Worked hard, defended well should be in the backs

14. Robinson
Needs a go forward pack to be at his best. No runners. Better than Moore

15. Faiumu
Needed another prop on not another hooker. Played ok but no runners,

16. Patrick
Never got going

17. Fairbank
Worked his socks off. Tons of tackling. Very good after a long lay off.

Today I rated Leroy , Gerry , big eorl ( our player of the season by a country mile) and Danny brough.

Lots of average ratings for too many players for us to win - great effort but too many errors.

Zero rating for grix.

And a negative rating for brown ( both of them really)

Seems like Nathan's blaming the players after the game again. First rule of management is that when you criticise your staff you are indeed criticising yourself as their boss.

In 4 years Nathan has ALWAYS man'd up and taken responsibility..... Oh hang on...

Agree with most of this but a few amendments. The one positive is that most of those who are poor are going so Anderson may have a clean slate to work with.

Cudjoe,jerry,brough,fergy and eorl aside i thought most others were very average or in the case of certain players, very poor, gilmour and brown are,at the moment stealing a living and should be dropped imo as they offer nothing to the team.

For a laugh

1. Grix
Was no way he was EVER gonna catch that first kick- should have had the second but did pull off a couple of great one on ones

2. Murphy.
One shocking dropped catch under no preassure. Did well defensively. Lacks the pace of George and the power of jerry.

3. Gilmour
Waste of a shirt today. Don't think I've seen him play a game in the last few weeks where he hasn't knocked on at least twice. Twice left huge holes for wire to skip through.

4. Cudjoe.
Fabulous!

5. Jerry
Strong running again- even after Westwood took his head off. Saw him practising kicks in the warm up but didn't use that tactic- shame.

6. Brown
Lost his mojo.

7. Brough.
what a 40-20..... But then the kicking game was pretty mediocre compared to briers who's A game was on show for the full 90.

8. Eorl
Will forever hold in my mind the replay of him catching chris bridge- is eorl that fast or bridge that slow

again worked his heart out.

9. Moore
Played well. Sounds like the old boys network is sorting him a spot in aus so possibly won't be about next season.

10. Mason
Mind in Hollywood- hope mickey missed that train cause he won't have been impressed with his mate today!

11. Faalogo
Did he play?

12. Ferguson
Took the ball forward with intent, defended well- not a prop.

13. Bruno
Worked hard, defended well -I like this idea,

14. Robinson
Robbo's spark has diminished for me- he's becoming too workhorse like.

15. Faiumu
No one running onto the pass, not a prop and it shows.

16. Patrick
Similar to fergi

17. Fairbank
Did really well until Westwood (again) slammed his elbow into his head as a bit of afters and then didn't seem to know what day it was.

Wish some fans would take there Crabby specs off apart from runing down the slowest centre on the planet he did nothing FFS the mans 19st and 6 6, he should be blasting his way through deffences and his line speed is poor, i am sorry if it upsets people but he aint the player people make him out to be.

You dont half post some tosh

He is one of the best props in the game - but on Sunday he was up against two of the other best props in the game, and having to carry our pack himself in attack

Mate you have your oppinion i have mine and trust me he aint nowhere near the best frontrower in the league.and trust me i know what i am talking about.

1. Grix - Rubbish, no better than Eden at his worst !!!!

2. Murphy - 1 big error but didn't get much chance to attack

3. Gilmour - Awful, again - does he put lard on his hands before he goes out ?

4. Cudjoe - Excellent in attack and defence, his best game by a mile this year

5. Jerry - ran hard, tackled well - good to have him back !

6. Brown - offered little to zero again

7. Brough - busy, didnt have chance to put any pressure on due to kicking inside own half

8. Eorl - worked hard but was never going to take on their pack on his own.

9. Moore - did ok, scored the try but nothing of note really

10. Mason - ran fast but didnt really cause any damage

11. Faalogo - looked ok to start with then fizzed out

12. Ferguson - best forward for us i though

13. Bruno - solid as always, ran hard

14. Robinson - played behind a pack that was battered and it showed, no chance to create

15. Faiumu - ok for me, couple of good steps - imagine how good he would be if we played him at hooker !!



16. Patrick - well marked by the Wire lot, couple of good angles but no breakthrough

17. Fairbank - added something when he came on and took he ball up well.

My MOM - Leroy Cudjoe

I am sure you do have your opinion, and think its more valid than mine.

I didnt say he was THE best, I said one of the best.
He does lack some agression at times, but that doesnt stop him being a tremendous player and great forward.

Cant be that bad to test himself against the best the Aussies have and come away with [utheir[/u plaudits.

More than a lot of forwards have done.

For a laugh
1. Grix - Turd

2. Murphy. - Turd

3. Gilly - Past it, used to be decent

4. Cudjoe. - Good outside back

5. Gerry - Average SL winger

6. Brown - Overrated

7. Brough. - Good SH

8. Crabtree - Very good prop

9. Moore - Overrated

10. Mason - Past it, never been great

11. Fa'Alogo - Average

12. Ferguson - Average

13. Bruno - Very Hard worker, great defender.

14. Robinson - Overrated

15. Faiumu - Average

16. Patrick - Decent

17. Fairbank - Who?

I would agree with most of that except:

Kevin Brown - Overrated? no he is just garbage

Fairbank - great prospect and a good player (look at your comment on your own board re Burgess)

Second best prop in the league according to Opta stats, behind Andy Lynch.

"Trust me"...."Trust me"...

When are you going to prove [iwhy[/i we can trust you?

Will you be posting next season to give your views on the next coaching structure?

1. Grix - Rubbish, confidence gone all together. Good call to hide him at full back, cos could have been a whole lot worse if he was defending in his usual position - that said Eden should have been FB

2. Murphy - One major cock up and didn't challenge for the ball well enough on occasions when briers put the ball up in the corner, which is a shame as he is usually fairly solid if nothing else.

3. Gilmour - Cr*p, can understand moving him to centre for defence, but those knock ons where criminal. That killed some of our best field position in the 2nd half when we needed the 1st score. If we could have got back to within 6 points with 20 mins to go, we still had a chance. Those knock ons ended our challenge

4. Cudjoe - Had a good game and was fully committed! Not his biggest fan, but got to say he played well. Just need to get that from him every week.

5. Jerry - Played well and glad he is back in the side, we have really missed him.

6. Brown - Cr*p - Correct decision to move him to Stand off in place of Grix. But he just didnt create anything. Confidence gone now and not a leader in my eyes at all.

7. Brough - 100% as always. Would have liked to see him take the ball to the line a bit more to stand the wire defenders up abit and leave them in 2 minds, but hard to do behind a beaten pack with no one offering them selves as runners.

8. Eorl - Worked hard and carried the ball well, but was left out there fair too long before being rested, he was blowing out off his ass early in the second half.

9. Moore - Didn't really notice him much

10. Mason - Wasn't as effective as he can be. Gave away silly penalty. He needs to be playing regularly, and we should see him back to his best.

11. Faalogo - One good run for the try, other than that didn't notice him much, other than the occassions when he couldn't be d making his tackles, wire went througt gaps left by him. With a bit more desire he would have made those tackles. Didn't want it enough

12. Ferguson - Didn't notice him too much first half, but he got his head through the line on a few occassions in the second half - just needed a runner on his shoulder to pop the ball off to.

13. Bruno - Defence spot on and clearly wanted to win - he should have been at centre instead of Gillmore

14. Robinson - Again worked hard. but think he is just a shade off his best at the moment. Would usually expect him to zip throught the defence at the ruck or with a little dummy, but cant remember any. But then again he needs a pack thats going forward and a quick play of the ball which he didnt get.

15. Faiumu - went ok, but needed runners on his shoulder to slip the ball out to once he had beaten his opposite number. His foot work is class. Every body knows what is coming when he gets the ball, but the defence still has no chance. For god sake he should have two men going with him everytime he takes the ball up.

16. Patrick - Didn't see much of him really. He needs the ball when we are on the front foot. We should have been launching him at Briers all afternoon.

17. Fairbank - Had a good game worked hard in defence and you could tell he wanted it. Should be playing every week.

Overall, i do feel our scramble in defence was very good and our desire really showed in that department. But if Atkins was a good centre wire should have had at least 2 maybe 3 walk ins down that side. We missed a trick not sending a lead runner at him then slipping the ball round the back like bret hodgson does cos Atkins defence is a joke at times.

We needed to score first in the second half and to be fair we really pushed for it, but after that first twenty mins in the second half we didnt have much fuel left in the tank. Key mistakes by the usual few killed any chance we had off really.

Grix - Poor game, plenty effort but one he'll want to forget
Murphy - Other than one drop played pretty well, good defensive reads
Gilmour - Poor game, hands have gone, not capable of playing centre any more
Cudjoe - Classy performance, one of the best players on the park
McGillvary - Ditto
Brown - Looks like he is seeing out time until his move to Widnes, think he is trying but very poor and keeps getting too squared up on defence, too easily stepped.
Brough - Played well, by normal standards, average by Danny Brough standards.
Crabtree - Really good, what would happen to our pack without him?
Moore - Decent performance
Mason - First stint was good, but we had lost up front by the time he returned
Ferguson - Played really well
Fa'alogo - Started well then disappeared
Lawrence - Excellent defensive performance
Robinson - Tried hard, lacked a platform due to lack of go forward
Faiumu - Did what he does well, not his fault, would have been better with a real prop, did make a monster try saving hit on Carvell under our sticks.
Patrick - Little impact, not convinced he was used correctly
Fairbank - Good defensive performance, but a short stint

Overall, 3 very disappointing performances, the rest were either ok or very good, but the mix of players/positions was wrong, too light.

"Overall, 3 very disappointing performances, the rest were either ok or v
ery good, but the mix of players/positions was wrong, too light."

Pretty much sums the last two months up

i agree about crabtree in the warrington game i thought he was poor

but he is not that type of prop anymore for blasting through defences, used to be when he came off the bench as an impact player, but since then hes lost weight and is now a starting prop doing almost 80mins on some occasions and gets through a ton of work

wish he would do offloads more though...seems to have been told to stop by brown but now browns gone will could see it again

Glad I'm not the only one that noticed this ^

How Doof remained on the pitch for the first 37 minutes beats me,Fairbank showed more enthusiasm in his first couple of minutes when he subbed him than Doof managed in the whole of his 37.

You would expect a former NZ international to set an example,I thought these overseas players dreamed of playing at Wembley.

1. Grix - Very poor and low on confidence. Some sympathy that he's been messed about positionally but not been good enough at all this season. Eden has to be given the position for the rest of the season
2. Murphy - Seems to be short on pace for a winger. Reasonably solid apart from the one glaring, p*ss poor error when under no pressure. We didn't get the ball out wide quick enough to him to allow him to make an impact but feeling is he's no more than a squad player.
3. Gilmour - Past it. No point in him playing another game this season.
4. Cudjoe - Brilliant. Didn't deserve the display of those around him. Again service to him was simply too slow.
5. Jerry - Great to have him back. Hate to repeat myself but he did all he could considering the how slow we were working the ball out wide.
6. Brown - Rubbish. No point him playing for us again this season. Confidence is shot.
7. Brough - As always, one of our better players but...he lost the crucial battle with Briers and was very much second best in that contest. Forwards made no yards which made it very hard for him to be in position to put some good attacking kicks in. Didn't make enough yardage with some of the penalties & often kicks too early in the tackle count.
8. Eorl - Did everything he could but our pattern of play was so obvious and predictable, Wire always read it and he was always running into a Wire wall.
9. Moore - Service he provided was just too predicitable. Same plays all the time, easily read giving the forwards little chance to make yards. Has improved over the season but still way short of where we need him. Lunt is head and shoulders the better player.
10. Mason - Again not given a chance by a predictable attack but miles off where he was 2 years ago. A favourite of mine who seems to lack the agression and passion he had. Either give him a run of games or move him on.
11. Fa'alogo - As others have said, he's in the team to bring leadership and experience in these big games. After the first try he did nothing. He was a monster when he arrived but maybe injuries have taken their toll.
12. Ferguson - Plenty of commitment but little else. Ran as hard as he could but plays were too predictable. Reasonably solid in defence.
13. Bruno - Played very well. Always very solid in defence but wish he had a little more to offer going forward. Worth a run in this position.
14. Robinson - Couldn't understand why he didn't start but lacked his usual zip when he came on. Too predictable at the play the ball and too slow it getting us going
15. Faiumu - Lots of effort with no support and therefore ineffectual
16. Patrick - Needs to play more often with more minutes. Not utilised enough. I really hope Baloo gives him his chance
17. Fairbank - Thought he showed some real effort and passion that shamed others. Deserves a run in the team.

Of course, none of the above takes into account just how solid Wire were and how well they played. However, our attack was shocking and I don't care who you are, if you give Wire that much ball and have to defend that much, you'll make the mistakes and lose the game.
Our attack is just so predictable (I may have mentioned this...) and slow. It takes an age to get the ball from Dummy Half to first receiver and about 3 days to reach the wing. The forwards have little chance to make yards as the opposition knows exactly whats coming. We really need to address this and quick - and I'm sure Baloo will!