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| Quote ="butcher giants"lets hope all the rumours have now gone to bed for a while i have a sneaky feeling with the wright team we could just nick this one i would personally like to see tansey at full back if hes still here put wardle to centre and give foster a go on the wing connors defense and discipline has let him down and murphys having a nightmare do think he will come good if he has to fight for his place like when broughton was here young brierly looked very nervous at full back to me and the likes of luke gale would be testing him allday think he would be better in the middle running of brough with wood interchanging with hinchcliffe at hooker leeming does speed it up when he comes on but think wood is more creative and would give more impact on the bench'"
Only change I would make is foster in for Murphy. I'm convinced Murphy is carrying an injury and I don't get why we are playing him if that's true considering his poor form. Connor has been attacking very well and shouldn't be dropped- he needs to work on his defence yes but Murphy being out of sorts hasn't helped that cause.
IF wardle plays it should be second row- although Olli doesn't deserve to be dropped he isn't playing the minutes Wardle can give us yet. Personally I'd make Wardle earn his place. Larne, Lawrence and taai are needed too much in defence to drop in place of Wardle.
All these change this to that and that to this people are suggesting is why we are where we are to start with. What we need right now is consistency not NB style tinkering. Brierley has been brought to play fullback- that's where he should play.
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| personally id like to see a settled side and get the combinations working. All this chopping and changing just seems to be confusing everyone. I understood at the start of the season as injuries were a part but theres no excuse now. i for one still believe we can reach the tops 8s with the squad we have got and who knows maybe a day out at wembley.
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| yep need to settle things down now when picking the players need some fluency and consistency which we havent had yet, just wardle to come back in this week will be fine in the 2nd row.
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| I'd start with...
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Jerry
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Brough
Brierley
Crabtree
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Lawrence
I think we put brierley at full back again were stupid, Connors still young give him time in one position and he'll adapt to it and start performing. Wardle is his best when he's at centre so keep him there with tansey on the outside. I think if brierley has a couple of games at half back we'll start to see what he can do
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| Brierley has been brought to play at fullback!!!! i think we put him in at halfback we are more stupid.
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| He's obviously his best when he's at half back so I can't understand why we're putting him at half back, we've got a lot of options at full back tansey, foster, Murphy, Connor, grix etc
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| Quote ="GiantsForLife"He's obviously his best when he's at half back so I can't understand why we're putting him at half back, we've got a lot of options at full back tansey, foster, Murphy, Connor, grix etc'"
Tansey is going next week, foster hasn't got a contract, Murphy is having a nightmare and the last place I'd put him at the moment is fullback which needs a confident player. . Grix is injured and OOC -I can't see him 0playing another game for us. Why is he "obviously his best when he's half back" I thought he was better for us against Salford than he was against Wakey.
I honestly don't think he has the skill set to make a proper SL halfback, he doesnt organise and can't kick. Look at what happened when he came up against full time players in the middle every week in the middle 8s. I think he does have the skill set to be a good attacking FB- IF it's proven he can organise the defence. The juries out so far but play him in the position he was brought to play- as grixs replacement. And please god stop moving players around!!!!!
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| Quote ="GiantsForLife"I'd start with...
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Leroy
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Tansey
Brough
Brierley
Crabtree
Hinchcliffe
Huby
Taai
Patrick
Lawrence
I think we put brierley at full back again were stupid, Connors still young give him time in one position and he'll adapt to it and start performing. Wardle is his best when he's at centre so keep him there with tansey on the outside. I think if brierley has a couple of games at half back we'll start to see what he can do
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not another change at full back, wing and half back please!!! we need the opposite.
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| Quote ="brearley84"not another change at full back, wing and half back please!!! we need the opposite.'"
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| We are ravaged by injuries. On Sunday we are likely to be missing:
Luke Dorn
Denny Solomona
Michael Shenton
Ben Roberts
Junior Moors
Oliver Holmes
Lee Jewitt
Matt Cook
Gadwin Springer
Frankie Mariano.
All apart from Springer and Mariano would probably be in our first-choice 17.
If you can't beat us with this injury list, you have a problem.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"We are ravaged by injuries. On Sunday we are likely to be missing:
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Matt Cook
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Frankie Mariano.
All apart from Springer and Mariano would probably be in our first-choice 17.
If you can't beat us with this injury list, you have a problem.'"
We are bottom- it's quite clear we have a problem.
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| Quote ="jools"Tansey is going next week, foster hasn't got a contract, Murphy is having a nightmare and the last place I'd put him at the moment is fullback which needs a confident player. . Grix is injured and OOC -I can't see him 0playing another game for us. Why is he "obviously his best when he's half back" I thought he was better for us against Salford than he was against Wakey.
I honestly don't think he has the skill set to make a proper SL halfback, he doesnt organise and can't kick. Look at what happened when he came up against full time players in the middle every week in the middle 8s. I think he does have the skill set to be a good attacking FB- IF it's proven he can organise the defence. The juries out so far but play him in the position he was brought to play- as grixs replacement. And please god stop moving players around!!!!!'"
are you drunk? He's played at Leigh in the halves for however many years changing him to full back is gonna do no good at all, he isn't full back he's a half back who "can play full back" he has the skill talent and potential to be up there with the best halves in SL but were shoving him at full back where his talents going to be wasted
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| His strengths are running through gaps, pace, collecting offloads etc.....exactly what we need at Full back i'd say.
Ask the Leigh fans he was never an organiser at Leigh, he didn't take the line on - that was Ridyard or Beswick most of the time. Ryan scored a lot of his tries by backing up breaks and using his pace...Cannot wait to see him do that for us !
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"His strengths are running through gaps, pace, collecting offloads etc.....exactly what we need at Full back i'd say.
Ask the Leigh fans he was never an organiser at Leigh, he didn't take the line on - that was Ridyard or Beswick most of the time. Ryan scored a lot of his tries by backing up breaks and using his pace...Cannot wait to see him do that for us !'"
We have a organizer , are you saying he can't play off Brough just as well as Ridyard or Beswick, which is where he scored all his tries from ( as you say ) But you see him as a natural fullback.
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| Didn't say natural full back, i meant i can see why we'd want to play him there, we've Wood and Ellis to play off Broughy.
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| Quote ="GiantsForLife"are you drunk? He's played at Leigh in the halves for however many years changing him to full back is gonna do no good at all, he isn't full back he's a half back who "can play full back" he has the skill talent and potential to be up there with the best halves in SL but were shoving him at full back where his talents going to be wasted'"
Nope- not been drunk since drowning my sorrows after Wakey.
Danny kirmond played at Featherstone on the wing for 3 years and scored more than a try every two games. He probably wouldn't have made it in SL in quite the same way doing the same against full time professionals- which is why he was successfully switched.
I've not seen much of brierley- but what I have seen suggests he wouldn't be as effective at half back in SL up against fitter professionals every week. He was anonymous against Wakey. (Also See middle 8s performances). Plenty of Leigh fans agree a switch to FB would be a good one for him, as do our coaching staff- that consists of two ex half backs. Good enough for me.
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| Quote ="jools"Nope- not been drunk since drowning my sorrows after Wakey.
Danny kirmond played at Featherstone on the wing for 3 years and scored more than a try every two games. He probably wouldn't have made it in SL in quite the same way doing the same against full time professionals- which is why he was successfully switched.
I've not seen much of brierley- but what I have seen suggests he wouldn't be as effective at half back in SL up against fitter professionals every week. He was anonymous against Wakey. (Also See middle 8s performances). Plenty of Leigh fans agree a switch to FB would be a good one for him, as do our coaching staff- that consists of two ex half backs. Good enough for me.'"
Sorry jools but I disagree, his talent is at half back and putting him at full back would be wasting what could be a very dangerous partnership in Brough and brierley
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| Quote ="jools"Nope- not been drunk since drowning my sorrows after Wakey.
Danny kirmond played at Featherstone on the wing for 3 years and scored more than a try every two games. He probably wouldn't have made it in SL in quite the same way doing the same against full time professionals- which is why he was successfully switched.
I've not seen much of brierley- but what I have seen suggests he wouldn't be as effective at half back in SL up against fitter professionals every week. He was anonymous against Wakey. (Also See middle 8s performances). Plenty of Leigh fans agree a switch to FB would be a good one for him, as do our coaching staff- that consists of two ex half backs. Good enough for me.'"
All what you say about Kirmond is true of many a player, and could be the same with Brierley, or Ellis for that matter. I could live with him at fullback, although it's quite amusing how quickly people are writing Grix off, having been saying how much we miss him and his organization.
I haven't seen all that much of Brierley either , just on TV, but funnily enough he looked the best against SL opposition.
Did we have a player at Wakey who wasn't anonymous.
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| We have missed Grix more than the knockers may wish to admit, we would be much more confident playing in front of his defensive organising ability. We had the best defence in superleague when he was playing!
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| Grix aiming to be back for magic weekend.
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| No word on Ellis though- but initially they said up to 10 weeks which would make it just before magic. Wonder if that's still the case?
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"His strengths are running through gaps, pace, collecting offloads etc.....exactly what we need at Full back i'd say.
Ask the Leigh fans he was never an organiser at Leigh, he didn't take the line on - that was Ridyard or Beswick most of the time. =#FF0000Ryan scored a lot of his tries by backing up breaks and using his pace...Cannot wait to see him do that for us !'"
He also got a lot from interceptions - and that's not easy from full back! Mind you, the opposition also scored a lot from him rushing out of the defensive line, and missing the interception!
That said, I still think he is best suited to full back, eventually. Meanwhile, it looks like you need your most reliable players in their 'comfortable' positions, and Grix has always been a sound player.
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| Dont you lot ever learn??
Dont argue with the lady
If Jools has him pencilled in for full back - with Andersons support --then thats where he`ll play!!
My genuine doubts spring from the fact that quote " we dont want another change at full back although thats what it is as Tansey was playing there albeit on a temp basis
And whilst I love the idea of a Brett Hodson coming into the line asextra support I have an inbuilt belief that a full back should be able to form a reliable last line of DEFENCE
Damn it -thats what Grix has taken somuch flack for
It might be great that he can organise the defensive line in front of him, but if they break through that and as some have said the last tackle is missing --whats it worth??
Still claim play him (Brier4ley)where hes best instead of trying to "convert"him and if we do need a full back -then look for one It might not be easy but cant see point of trying to get the lad at his age to "adapt"
In our present position its too big a gamble and as I said remember poor Chris Thorman( unless someone CAN convince me that worked out absolutely right!
What next ??
Aaah -when Broughy finally goes - perhaps we can buy a full back --and convert him to an half back eh??
Extract it if you want --but in my view - just as farcical!-- and we could tempt fate twice eh??
Bets on an each way double??
However - if the opening idea IS correct --Ill have my digits tightluy crossed (although we COULD end up with two halbacks --or two full backs !! We could always sell one after converting em
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| 2 points coming our way today.
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| Quote ="Rickyc"2 points coming our way today.'"
I hope so but its sh*t or bust day today our guys have to stand up and be counted nothing but a strong performance will do !!
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