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| Quote ="Danril"You'd be happy to take a late hit like that?
This is beyond ridiculous!

The lateness of it makes it dangerous IMO. Robinson didn't know it was coming and there is potential for injury because of that. Whiplash type injuries etc.'"
There is ALWAYS the potential for injury in the most innocuous of tackles, it's the nature of the sport.
Believe me, I took far worse than that. I was always appreciative of hard but fair play, and dished it out myself. RL players have a lot of respect for each other in that department, especially a player that picks himself up, dusts himself off and gets stuck back in after a big hit. Robinson, once he'd regathered himself, did exactly that.
I expect the team was proud of him, and Wigan had respect for him as a result.
As has been said elsewhere, the players knew the tackle was late, but it wasn't malicious. That's why they didn't start fighting. When punches were thrown later, players got involved. They're advocates of, and respect, fair play.
And yes, I'd take a hit like that. The exhilaration of playing Rugby League is something I miss greatly.
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| There is indeed the risk of injury in every tackle. All the more important then not to defend late shots like that one that are more likely to be the cause of injury.
Suffice it to say I think that the content of that post there is pretty much totally redundant. Who cares if you miss the exhilaration of playing? Who cares if you enjoyed getting hit late when you weren't expecting it? Those things make no difference to the fact that it was a late tackle, it was dangerous and O'Loughlin was fortunate to get away with it.
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| He didnt get away with it, he got penalised, and to the letter of the law that was the only real option open to Thaler, he could have put it on report but he didnt obviously feel it was necessary and that wouldnt matter as every game is analysed anyway and if the RFL see fit he will be cited.
It certainly wasn't bad enough for a straight red and the yellow is only used for a proffesional foul or per persistent foul play, this was neither. If Robinson had kicked the ball then a yellow would have been issued for sure down to the TJ's report.
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"He didnt get away with it, he got penalised, and to the letter of the law that was the only real option open to Thaler, he could have put it on report but he didnt obviously feel it was necessary and that wouldnt matter as every game is analysed anyway and if the RFL see fit he will be cited.
It certainly wasn't bad enough for a straight red and the yellow is only used for a proffesional foul or per persistent foul play, this was neither. If Robinson had kicked the ball then a yellow would have been issued for sure down to the TJ's report.'"
Hang on, until this point you've actually been arguing that it wasn't even late. Now you seem to have changed your mind and say that all he could really have got was a penalty because it wasn't bad enough for a red!
The irony of all this is that even the judiciary wont settle this because they're so weak. Any bans they do issue nowadays are quickly rescinded on appeal. Long gone are the days of getting an extra game for having the cheek to question the judgment!
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"He didnt get away with it, he got penalised, and to the letter of the law that was the only real option open to Thaler, he could have put it on report but he didnt obviously feel it was necessary and that wouldnt matter as every game is analysed anyway and if the RFL see fit he will be cited.
It certainly wasn't bad enough for a straight red and the yellow is only used for a proffesional foul or per persistent foul play, this was neither. If Robinson had kicked the ball then a yellow would have been issued for sure down to the TJ's report.'"
So in a nutshell, "hit em late" when they're kicking or trying to kick the ball and you might get punished, but you're "fair game" for a late tackle when you've passed the ball from any low life thug that wants to hit you, and if Fishta's words of wisdom are correct "you gain respect" from opposition players, what a load of twaddle, someones taking the p*ss
How long is it going to be before someone get's seriously injured from one of these incidents before the powers that be wake up and clamp down on it ??? Whether some people like it or not, Robinson was hit late/high and some posters are trying to justify this thuggery.
Are you Steve Ganson's lovechild and making things up as you go along or mixing our rules up with American Football ???
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| Where does my post suggest I have changed my mind??? I was sat about 50ft from where it happened and at full speed "IN MY OPINION" it wasn't late, it was commited.
My post says that it wasn't bad enough for a red (clearly) and that the ref saw it as a penalty nothing more as the yellow card wasnt an option as Robinson wasnt the kicker. Thaler didn't think there was anything in it either as he only awarded a penalty on the say so of the TJ who said "it looked a little late" Thaler hadn't even blown the whistle until the TJ put his flag up. Watch it back and tell me I am wrong!
I don't disagree that the judiciary are gutless, ask Morley and carvell! but I will be surprised if O'loughlin even has to attend.
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| Okay...
You are clearly wrong!
If it wasn't late it wasn't even a penalty. It was late, it was a penalty, you are contradicting yourself with your posting.
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"Ha Ha, what a tool!! Talk about my dads bigger than your dad!! I can't believe you are analysing wigans players as to wether they could handle Mason or Fa'alongo!! You obviously haven't seen Feka in a bad mood and Stuart "glass jaw" Fielden as you refer to him got a smack that would have dropped any RL player. I would have loved Mcilorum to lose the plot instead of laughing at Mason, me thinks Mason would have had a shock!'"
As a Wigan Season ticket holder for over 10 years and a Wigan Fan as well as a more recent Giants season ticket holder I suspect that I am pretty well placed to talk about this. Hence I didn't need to analyse Wigan's players at all.
My thoughts on Feka are perhaps clouded by his lack of ability on the pitch and the fact that he uses a large chunk of the salary cap for so little gametime. Stu Fielden is a very good player this season but is simply not a hardman. Mcilorum would not give Mason a shock in a million years...sorry. Greg Dowling, Kelvin Skerret they were Wigan hard men it's not the game they play anymore.
And for the record in relation to your other posts. Lockers was high and late. Wigan were getting walloped at the time and he resorted to cheating to try and get them back in the game.
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| Quote ="ShelleyGiant"So in a nutshell, "hit em late" when they're kicking or trying to kick the ball and you might get punished, but you're "fair game" for a late tackle when you've passed the ball from any low life thug that wants to hit you, and if Fishta's words of wisdom are correct "you gain respect" from opposition players, what a load of twaddle, someones taking the p*ss
How long is it going to be before someone get's seriously injured from one of these incidents before the powers that be wake up and clamp down on it ??? Whether some people like it or not, Robinson was hit late/high and some posters are trying to justify this thuggery.
Are you Steve Ganson's lovechild and making things up as you go along or mixing our rules up with American Football ???'"
Wind your neck in ffs!
Has anybody said they agree with this rule? It is a stupid rule in my opinion but it is a rule. If a player has kicked a ball and is hit late its an automatic yellow, this is not the case if it is after a pass. If the player has done other bad tackles in the game or has been warned then Thaler would be able to use the yellow on the grounds of persistent foul play.
I couldnt agree more that it should be the same for a pass or a kick but it isnt and I say again, if Thaler thought it was late or high he would have put it on report but it makes no difference as the game is analysed anyway.
if it was high then Robinson would not have got up and dusted himself off. Maybe you should learn the rules before you argue the finer points of the game

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| The fact Robinson was able to play on has absolutely zero bearing on whether ot not the shot was high.
That is the weakest argument you've come with yet, and that's saying something.
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| Quote ="Danril"Okay...
You are clearly wrong!
If it wasn't late it wasn't even a penalty. It was late, it was a penalty, you are contradicting yourself with your posting.'"
I ain't contradicting anything! I will say it slow if you want.
"I DONT THINK IT WAS LATE, BUT I WASNT THE REF AT THE GAME, HE OBVIOUSLY DIDNT THINK IT WAS LATE EITHER OR HE WOULD HAVE BLOWN HIS WHISTLE!!!!
HE ONLY BLEW HIS WHISTLE WHEN THE TJ PUT HIS FLAG UP AND GAVE A PENALTY AND DIDNT SEE FIT TO PUT IT ON REPORT"
To summarise, I don't think it was late and neither did Thaler, the TJ did so he put his flag up and Hudds recieved a penalty for a late challenge on the say so of the TJ how more clear do you want it????
I am only wrong in your opinion
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| You are clearly wrong. Capitalise it all you want but you are wrong in your observations of the event at the time and wrong in your analysis of those events. EOS.
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| So you think that if o'loughlin had hit him in the head that robinson would have got up??? the point is he ddn't hit him high, he hit him in the chest so therefore Robinson was not badly hurt, he would have been in a bad way if he had been hit high.
The hit was fair the lateness is debatable, you and the TJ say it was late, me and Thaler say it wasnt!
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"I ain't contradicting anything! I will say it slow if you want.
"I DONT THINK IT WAS LATE, BUT I WASNT THE REF AT THE GAME, HE OBVIOUSLY DIDNT THINK IT WAS LATE EITHER OR HE WOULD HAVE BLOWN HIS WHISTLE!!!!
HE ONLY BLEW HIS WHISTLE WHEN THE TJ PUT HIS FLAG UP AND GAVE A PENALTY AND DIDNT SEE FIT TO PUT IT ON REPORT"
To summarise, I don't think it was late and neither did Thaler, the TJ did so he put his flag up and Hudds recieved a penalty for a late challenge on the say so of the TJ how more clear do you want it????
I am only wrong in your opinion'"
FWIW. All you did there was put it in capitals.
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"So you think that if o'loughlin had hit him in the head that robinson would have got up??? the point is he ddn't hit him high, he hit him in the chest so therefore Robinson was not badly hurt, he would have been in a bad way if he had been hit high.
The hit was fair the lateness is debatable, you and the TJ say it was late, me and Thaler say it wasnt!'"
There are high tackles in various games. The vast majority of times the victim of the tackle is able to play on. With that in mind, your assertion that Robinson wasn't hit high as he was able to play on is pure pants.
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| ABSOLUTELY not wrong! regardless of how you feel.
tell me why I am wrong,
Did thaler blow his whistle before the TJ put his flag up - NO
Did the TJ say he thought it was a little late - YES
did Thaler put it on report - NO
if robinson had kicked the ball would o'loughlin have been buinned - YES because the TJ indicated he thought it was late and that is the automatic punishment
if robinson had passed the ball would o'loughlin have been binned - NO because it wasn't a professional foul and he hadnt been warned for earlier infringements
ALL FACTS
Our opinions matter not, the facts speak for themselves
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| Quote ="Wadski"FWIW. All you did there was put it in capitals.'"
And??
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| Quote ="Danril"There are high tackles in various games. The vast majority of times the victim of the tackle is able to play on. With that in mind, your assertion that Robinson wasn't hit high as he was able to play on is pure pants.'"
Alright I will rephase that, the various replays show that it clearly wasnt high but IN MY OPINION if it was high robinson would POSSIBLY not have been able to continue.
That better?
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"ABSOLUTELY not wrong! regardless of how you feel.
tell me why I am wrong,
Did thaler blow his whistle before the TJ put his flag up - NO
Did the TJ say he thought it was a little late - YES
did Thaler put it on report - NO
if robinson had kicked the ball would o'loughlin have been buinned - YES because the TJ indicated he thought it was late and that is the automatic punishment
if robinson had passed the ball would o'loughlin have been binned - NO because it wasn't a professional foul and he hadnt been warned for earlier infringements
ALL FACTS
Our opinions matter not, the facts speak for themselves'"
Not all facts, not at all!

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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"And??'"
You said you were going to say it s l o w e r. All you did was SHOUT it.
HTH.
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"Alright I will rephase that, the various replays show that it clearly wasnt high but IN MY OPINION if it was high robinson would POSSIBLY not have been able to continue.
That better?'"
We're getting there. Very slowly like but I think it might be dawning on you soon.
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| Quote ="Danril"Not all facts, not at all!
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Facts, yes. Prove me wrong?
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| I don't need to prove you wrong, you've already done a tip top job of that for me.

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| Quote ="Danril"We're getting there. Very slowly like but I think it might be dawning on you soon.'"
The only thing dawning on me right now is how little you actually know about RL and how bitter you are that your team was out enthused, out played and outdefended on Sunday by a stronger, fitter more skilful team and that you have to resort to claiming one incident that you got a penalty for changed the game. Also that, that particular player is known for being dirty and niggling!
Poor knowledge!

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| Quote ="Danril"I don't need to prove you wrong, you've already done a tip top job of that for me.
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Well that I can live with, as I know I'm right and deep down, you won't admit it but so do you
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