That's my point, you clot!

PBG is asking a referee quiz type question because he's a referee and he knows the answer!!! There's no agenda!

No sour grapes or anything. Just a question.

I like Browns quotes regarding our performance yesterday.

"The things that helped the Giants to Wembley and to sit in third place, we just clearly didn't have in the first half.

"We tried our best to guard against that attitude side of the game but effort in the first half clearly wasn't acceptable.

"We asked for a response in the second half and we got a good one, but you cannot give away big starts like that.

"Bradford played some good footy, they came up with some nice plays and scored some nice tries.

"You need to give them credit but I think we saw, when we muscled up and decided to put in the required effort, things fell in our favour."

They fell in your favour so much that you won. right ?

Hey, you have your day in the sun. We'll have the Cup Final and the play offs. Laugh away...

Ok fair enough, It was clearly a knock on and the score shouldn't have stood.

Ignore the Deacon incident.

Player (A) attempts a drop goal but misses horribly and the ball sits in the in-goal area. He chases his own kick and grounds the ball.

It's just play on, isn't it, so long as he has not fluffed it on purpose. If he grounds the ball, it's a try. If any other player on his team grounds it, so long as he was behind the player when he fluffed the kick, it's a try.

I think!

Not a chance, he tries for a drop kick, takes and air swing

Drop kick - the kick = drop.

If his foot completely misses the ball then I agree. I was more on about he makes some dud contact, so th eball is nowhere near going over the crossbar but does end up in the in goal area.

then thats playon, yes.

Is the fact that the ball has to strike the floor for a drop kick to count relevant, or am I being a bit thick?

By definition a drop kick is a kick whereby the ball is dropped from the hands (or hand) and is kicked immediately as it rebounds from the ground.

Does that therefore mean that the ball is, in effect, knocked on prior to the kick and the decision would be a tap twenty for the defending team, irrelevant of whether the ball goes dead or not.Or am I again being thick.

If your assuming that all drop kicks are knock on's then no. It would be where the drop kick was taken.

You have to keep in mind that a drop kick is not a knock on.

According to the international laws of the game if Player (A) misses a drop goal and the ball ends up in the in-goal area before being grounded by Player (A) then a try should be awarded. There is nothing in the laws to suggest that it is a knock on.

The point I am trying to make is where do you draw the line between a knock-on and a failed drop goal attempt?

I know it is a little far fetched to suggest Paul Deacon was attempting a drop goal in that situation seen last night, but under the logic applied by the video ref all drop kicks in general play would also be knock-ons.

I thought the drop kick thing was the foot stricking the ball immediately as it struck the ground, not after

TRY

It would be a try.
A drop kick is a legitimate kick whether it be for a drop goal or not.
(I think

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By definition a drop kick is a kick whereby the ball is dropped from the hands (or hand) and is kicked immediately as it [urebounds[/u from the ground.

So how long do they get before it stops being immediate?

Before it hits the ground for the 2nd time would seem logical

Could you shape for a drop goal, let the ball bounce and then chip for the corner for a team mate to run on to or would that be similar to a doing the same with a penalty after indicting an attempt at goal.

was the try given? your answer is NO

Woosh.

So is a drop kick a legitimate kick in general play or only as an attempt on goal? (Although why a player would do this when a punt is easier to execute is anyone's guess!)