We would absolutely struggle without Sezer, We did struggle without him, and we need another hooker Simon.

Wigan were so much faster than us it was a bit embarrassing but they will beat most teams playing like they did, We managed to keep some of their danger men quiet for the most part but being honest we were completely shot by 60 minutes, still onward and upwards, bring on the Saints.

That last try of the first half was a planned move. After Hardacker had converted the previous try I saw him talking to the ref on his way back to half way. It was obvious he was asking how much time was left because the ref pointed to the game clock 2/3 times, there were 31 seconds left. Hardacker then had a quick glance at the winger and the rest as they say is history, this time it came off on any other day it might not have. With 13 men in the defensive line and 16-10 up the automatic choice is to drive it in for a couple and take the hooter. The winger had nothing to lose and good luck to him it came off this time. Doesn't excuse or explain what happened to the capitulation in the second half, every time Wigan had the ball I really 5hought they were going to score. Lots to be learned from this disaster.

Sezer cleared to play. Matagi has a one game ban.

We can analyse and dissect the game the rest of the week but it won't change anything
Bottom line their attack and defence were played at a pace much faster than ours and we just couldn't match it!
No amount of coaching or tactics can make a player "run faster" Sadly the sooner some fans accept that and stop taking cheap shots cos we lost to a better team on the day and we do the best with what we've got the better IMO
Personally was looking forward to a good close tussle but it wasn't to be! Just a bad day at the office - end of!
The true test of the teams resolve and backbone will be revealed Friday - but they'll still not be 100metre Olympians whatever happens! No substitute for natural pace!

From what I have seen of Wigan this season so far it has been their best performance and not many sides would have beaten them on Sunday.

No, its not disrespect. Players lose their legs as they get older, it happens in most sports.

Jerry once upon a time was quick and his speed coupled with his power meant he burst tackles for fun, similar to Naulogo of Hull in recent times. Since the World Cup hes lost quite abit of pace and its very noticeable and hence why he doesnt bust tackles like he used to. Jordan Turner used to have pace but since hes bulked up more over the last couple of years he too has lost pace. Both Jerry and Turner struggle with players with pace - our right side is the weakest edge (defensively) by far if you look at all 4 games this far.

Completely agree, and i also agree with what Crackerjack said, they were different league to us as far as pace goes. Down the left ( our right ) they looked capable of scoring every play on that side but then that has seemed to be our weakest defensive area for quite some time.
Early days yet, we will improve from that, I think there are only possibly 4 sides that can play at that level and they can't do it every week, Like crackers says we won't learn to run any faster so we have to learn to think faster.
I expect Saints to beat us as well being realistic but we have every chance to show we are not going to crumble, We have a much better squad than last season and i'm hopeful we shall do ok. after the last few seasons staying out of the relegation zone will be a big step forward, so onward and upwards, We don't play Wigan every week.

Got to say I'm pleasantly surprised by the numbers on here praising Wigan rather than the usual responses you see from most fans. Shows real class. Good luck for the rest of the season (and especially next week!

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Huddersfield fans are not your typical rugby league fans. When i was a kid and got taken down to see Fartown by my Dad and Grandad i got taught that you clap for both teams when they show a superb bit of skill, and i still do that to this day. That can be good and bad, you will not find Huddersfield fans getting on the back of the ref for penalties at home (unless there is a very serious and obvious injustice in his calls) like happens at most grounds and this often costs us easy penalties (because as we know that constant complaining always eventually pays off). Apart from the cowbell you will not find the crowd volume that you find at other grounds, because the fans are not the type to sing for singings sake! I put it down to the fact that we are one of the few teams with a big football club in the town that draw off most of the undesirables that in many towns watch their Rugby team. Again, this is a curse in that those fans still pay their way through the turnstiles and we lack them.

Glad we could help you out this week!

Got to say that most of the time we're bemoaning the lack of effort/commitment /fitness/skill levels of our own team rather than that of the opposition. We can definitely see an improvement this season so don't know what happened to our resilience against Wigan. We ought to have given you a much sterner test last week but no one can put the finger on exactly what goes wrong in them situations. I had a quick look on your board and was surprised to see one of the posts saying how much the guy disliked Huddersfield Giants and that we are all that is bad about Rugby League at the moment ? Don't really know why but he's entitled to his opinion and no matter what you say to people like that they aren't going to change their view. I personally think we've as much to give to Rugby League as any other team.

One of the problems the club has had over the years has been showing too much respect to players who are towards the end of their careers. We kept Brough on for two years too many for example.

Jerry has been a genuinely great player for us, but he's nearly 32 years old and still has three years left on his contract.

Its important to create a nurturing and supportive culture for the players, but it cannot come at the cost of putting off hard decisions. Avoiding reality does nobody any favours - including the players involved.

It's got more to do with playing in a stadium that's three times too big imo. Theres never going to be much of an atmosphere until you get a crowd up past 10k. If you get past 20k, the atmosphere is electric At 5k, it's not great.

If I won £150m on the lottery we'd be out of that ground and into a purpose built 13k stadium in a flash. Preferably at Fartown!

i disagree as i just think our crowds are not the supporting type and prefer to sit in silence until they think the ref has cheated then use there voice to bag him i dont think it matter hows many are there its more to do with the type of supporters we have and thats why away games are best cos those who go go to get behind the team rather than just watc the game

I think those at the back are much quieter at home regardless. They don’t agree, and they don’t want to move so they can be heard better as they want to stand for sone strange reason but it’s true. Last week Example-since we’ve had the kids we’ve sat in the family stand. This year My lad had begged to get a ticket at the other side so he got one- (we stayed at other side where weve sat for 15 years) so he went over on his own and when we met him after the game he commented “they don’t sing like they do away”. Now ok we did suffer a bad loss- but we were in the game for 35 minutes.

It's quite hard to feel part of a crowd when the next person in s 25 feet away.

There's nothing intrinsically quiet about Huddersfield spectators, they're just too spread out to behave like a crowd.

This in a spot on

I’m not sure it’s as much a problem as a conundrum I think the club and Ken care and we have quite a lot of home grown guys in the set up which is different say from soccer where most teams now are full of continental players or from all around the UK due to the far reach of soccer scouting systems.

Jerry for many years had a partnership with Leroy Cudjoe who could magic up tries for him out of nothing with rare sleight of hand and an almost telepathic connection between the two. Jerry has never been the fastest nor the slowest, but has a good step, lots of natural power and runs a good angle with a great ability to finish.

Far be it for me to criticise a team that’s 4/5 but Jordan Turner is a left centre playing at right centre to accommodate Jake W playing left centre.

The real interesting thing about this is the clubs loyalty to Leroy, something that is right up to a point.

Whilst we think we have a chance of a Leroy playing again, providing he gets up to speed which is far easier said than done, we would look daft signing another ‘star’ centre if Leroy can play well enough again and win a new contract.

Put the ‘old’ Leroy back in or a true class right centre and Jerry might start to get the ball in a position to break tackles again with a little bit of space which a good centre will create for him.

I rate JT but a year ago the back line was meant to be Jerry, Leroy, JT and Uate, two of whom have not played very much JT was down to play left centre.

So maybe the conundrum is really Leroy and Uate, not Jerry as a Soccer club would likely have ‘retired’ both of them on medical grounds, I’m not anti Leroy far from it but both him and the club need to decide what is the likely outcome as surely we can’t be considering a contract extension at this stage....

But equally if we want to use Jerry in a better way we need a natural left to right passing centre.... JT is a right to left passer by nature....

Bad news for all those sprint coaches out there if you can’t make people faster, another profession made redundant, sad

I would expect the club has a sprint coach in some sort of consulting capacity.

It seems pretty basic stuff to me.

But Cracker Jack said you can’t make people faster so no point, however unless he is a sprint coach he can’t really comment

Taken out of context but no problem.
I'm saying that it's probably a small percentage increase to someone who's got natural speed ability
Otherwise with all the expert " sprint coaches" there are in the world the Olympic record would be broken regularly.
A good sprint coach yes could probably get a few more yards out of say both Walmsley and McArthy Scarsbrook but I would still claim the latter is naturally the faster of the two and that's what the good lord gave him - not a coach in a track suit.
You have your opinion and fine
Farah and Christie are both human beings.
Both top athletes but the finest respective coaches in the world would never make Mo a 100metre sprinter despite his finishing pace or Linford into a 10000metre runner.
It's down to timproving the basic natural ability they are blessed with and in some cases that could be negligible or near its limit when they become involved
It's nature..
Lotta good racehorse trainers out there but the really special horses are the ones with natural ability in their particular aspect of the sport. Jumpers aren't sprinters aren't stayers

Just my opinion

I think the point is that "a good sprint coach yes could probably get a few more yards out of say both Walmsley and McArthy Scarsbrook.." and across a squad that might be the difference between finishing fifth or first.

Which is a hell of a lot more interesting to me than an entirely academic argument about whether its "god given" or coached.

IMO the attitude here is the reason why British RL is so far behind the NRL. All British players should be having sprint coaching to gain that small percentage increase.

That's not quite what he said, to be fair.

Steady fella!
Natural / by nature
I'm told that doesn't come into the equation!
With the right coaching he could become what Jerry needs - and they might just also get him running faster than he can after bulking up.
Genetic qualities count for little ...