I see Wrexham FC have been issued with a winding up order by HMRC, same owners as Crusaders. Message to Dickhead and Nigel - open your frigging eyes

edit: Dude = Richard head

So the RFL will then own the ground as they lent them money against the ground didnt they?

Fax and Wakey to fight over their place

3 Welsh pro clubs in the Co-op championships then next year?

Wasn't Stephen Vaughan sniffing around WFC before he got sent down?

Nope as the owners sneakily transferred stadium ownership to themselves so it no longer belongs to Wrexham FC so if club went under Wrexham Village would keep ground. Something unsurprisingly the footy fans aren't exactly best pleased about!

Yes and the RFL loan for ' services rendered

' was to Wrexham village , therefore the owners themselves , it was guaranteed by the stadium

Aye, agreed before they actually owned the stadium rights too!

i didn't know that.


i thought he was "teflon" man

Heard a rumour (albeit via some Chester fans) that he was spotted in the directors box for a Wrexham game, though obviously he won't be able to do that again any time soon!

Apart from them sharing a ground and the owners beingthe same people, I fail to see a connection to Crusaders.

Lets look at a few facts here - WFC have had a constantly underperforming team since around 1982. They've slid slowly down the league tables until vanishing out of the top flight leagues a few years back. In that time, their fan base has constantly shrunk, until it is now around 10% of that it was back then.

This is all history, and before Crusaders were even thought of as a South Welsh side, never mind a Wrecsam one.

Crusaders on the other hand, have crowds that embarrass the football club, even for fixtures that attract low levels of interest by SL standards.

Indeed open your eyes Richard and Nigel - see what a comparative success CRLC have been when held up to the traditional professional side in the area.

Are you a spin doctor for a living?.....'cos if you aren't, you've missed your vocation!!

Theres a hand full of others like scooter nik on these MBs.Sadly thay've spouted so much crap over the years they've actually started to believe it themselves.

poor deluded SL slaves

The day of the spin doctor passed last year, some still spout complete danglies but nobody is influenced anymore as quite clearly the emperor is naked.

Oh dear, well in that case maybe they should switch their attentions to the Fulquinbroncos, who couldn't even give away 5000 tickets, but I guess Lewis knew that when he made his statement that their crowds no longer matter. Strange that since in 2009 Lewis stressed they must work on their crowds. You say it won't affect the crusaders? Lets wait and see shall we.

Hang on scooter nik last two home crowds...

Wrexham AFC Vs (the mighty) Kettering Town = 3,662
Crusaders Vs St Helens (local & top side in SL era) = 4,002

Which one is embarrassing the other? Considering Wrexham was 'desperate' for top flight sport?

Its not working in Wales no matter which part they play in, but they will be another London, allowed to be there no matter what, at least London now are producing players, even if they'll never get big crowds, this is why their best product is now at Saints though!!!!

How many times have the London side finished a relegation spot? They've earned the right to stay there as far as I'm concerned and even under franchising tick most of the boxes.

It will work in wales if they do it properly.

Anything works if its done properly.

What would you know about Wrexham, you can't even spell it right?!







Hush you!



Get your flat-cap back on and stop arguing?!

Wrexhams dept is dept is £200,000 and it looks as if they have nobody to bail them out.

Wrecsam is the welsh spelling.

Franchising IMO will only have a limited shelf life before it becomes totally negative to the games expansion.

If Wakefield hadn't hit financial difficulties would people be saying they should go down (indeed they could finish 6th this year and be booted out to be replaced by a team finishing 8th in the Championship - nothing wrong in the rules of the current game in that but considering we are supposed to be a sport totally farcical).

The RFL have already said Halifax are ready for SL, Widnes are ready , if we win something I'd imagine we won't be far away and Fev are now showing intent with the improvements to the ground it wants, Barrow are going in the right direction and with Toulouse and Sheffield ticking expansion boxes (and I'd suspect also not too far away in other areas ) and its evident we will soon have too many clubs 'ticking boxes' for SL than places available (and that's not mentioning the fantastic work that true RL clubs such as Batley do year in year out).
In SL only Crusaders and Wakefield are real contenders for the drop based on the financial difficulties they have had but both offer something to the game so do they deserve to be thrown out ?
Throw into the pot some clubs in SL who are just not quite strong enough when playing the top 4 or 5 teams and its does suggest we need a two tier fully professional league with a one up one down progression based on the on field factors (as all clubs should meet the off field factors).

I think a 2nd tier of SL is essential if we are going to progress properly as a sport, We can't keep extending SL and watering the intensity down (and please lets not water the Championship down by extending it - yet again its proving to be a league where scores are unpredictable - it MUSTN'T be touched IMO).

The hard part for the RFL is ensuring the clubs go for this, many must be voting out of self interest and short term gains rather than looking at the bigger picture.
IMO though the RFL have to force this issue through if our game is ever to realise its potential in the UK and move from a minority sport to a mainstream one.

Thanks for clearing that up, I had no idea?!