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| So the end of the decade is approaching. It's been a decade in which we've won 3 Challenge Cups, 2 League Leaders Shields and made 3 Grand Finals (and 5 Challenge Cup finals in total). It's been our most successful decade since the 1950s.
Who would be your Wire team of the decade?
Here's mine...
Fullback: Brett Hodgson
I don't think I've ever had as much confidence in a Wire player as Hodgson. Whatever the situation you knew he was going to make the right decision, he was our best goalkicker too. Also he must have been pound for pound one of our toughest players physically. Second place would be Stefan Ratchford who has had some spells of very good form although it still seems something is missing from him being really elite.
Wingers: Joel Monaghan and Josh Charnley
These two aren't express pace but they must be two of the best finishers in SL over this past decade. Joel was great at bringing down high kicks to the corner too. Charnley has bucked the trend of players returning from RU as a lesser player and has been a great pro for us. You could make a case that Chris Hicks was actually better than both these guys but he was only here one season in the 2010s so he misses out here. The other guys worth a mention are Tom Lineham and Chris Riley, both sometimes underappreciated but compiled excellent scoring records.
Centres: Matt King and Ryan Atkins
Both of these were real powerhouse players who could break score from deep as well as close range. I associate these guys with our best days of the decade, they were guys who would end up finishing off some of our best moves and the sight of Atkins charging home like a tank from 30 yards was a real statement of Wire dominance. The only quibble I would put against both these players was they were superb players when the team was doing well but neither seemed like the type to turn things around when we were in a rut. The guy who just misses out here was Chris Bridge, who had really superb footwork and was a wonderful ball player from centre. I think a lot of people had doubts when he left Bradford but that turned out to be possibly Cullen's best signing over time. Honorary mention to Peta Hiku for his brief cameo in 2016.
Halfbacks: Lee Briers and Richie Myler
The first 4 seasons of this decade saw Briers become a Wire legend. For me he's second in our history with only Bevan ahead. What a complete player he was at the back end of his career, he was the best player I've seen at taking a team round the park and being able to dictate the agenda with his boot since Ricky Stuart. Myler had his critics and maybe turned out to me more one-dimensional than we hoped when we signed him, but he was a very effective runner and he killed a lot of teams running on to an inside ball with his pace to run the ball home. It's been a mixed bag with our other halfbacks, but both Chris Sandow and Blake Austin gave us half a season of Man of Steel level performances.
Props: Chris Hill and Adrian Morley
For the first part of this decade Wire had the best front row in SL and Morley kept being in the running for MoS. He had teams rolling on the back foot from the start of the tackle count with those early tackle carries. He was a superb leader too. Then we achieved the most unlikely signing payoff ever, in dipping down to the lower leagues and picking out a player who even overtook Morley in his first season after turning full pro! Hill in his early years was immense and you wonder if he'd been picked up by the NRL if he would have gone on to be a Burgess or Bateman type figure over there. In recent years he's become less effective and more prone to becoming bad tempered and mouthy to refs, he's like Lee Briers in reverse. But still overall he's our no1 prop of the decade for me. 3rd and 4th would be Garreth Carvell and Paul Wood, who were not too far behind the standard of Hill and Morley.
Hooker: Michael Monaghan
This was the hardest choice for me and one I went back and forth on. I think Daryl Clark is overall a better hooker than Monas and in a less dominant team I'd probably want Clark. I went with Monas though because he was more likely to damage the opposition in attacking areas.
You watch us play now, and even in a great team performance like Wembley against Saints this year, it just feels like hard work scoring. When we were in the last 20 yards of the field, and Monas took the ball you just had the feeling 'something's on here', you just sensed that a scoring play was imminent. It was a quality which Briers and Sandow had too. I really wish we had a player like that now. I have lots of respect for Clark but he's just edged out here. Special mention too for Mick Higham who played some great rugby for us.
Second row: Ben Westwood and Trent Waterhouse
For toughness, consistency, longevity and the ability to put in fine performances regardless of whether those around him were playing well or not, Westwood is number one. There hasn't been a Wire forward in my whole time as a supporter who has done as much for as long as him, and this decade started at the halfway point of his career! The other spot was a bit less clear cut. Trent Waterhouse probably had the most quality so he gets in there, but I might have put pre-injury Ben Currie ahead of him. I would definitely put David Solomona on the bench, he was an example of a signing that adds a new dimension to a team and really elevated not only our attacking potential but also our style. I think peak Wire in terms of being entertaining, coincided with having Solomona in the team.
Loose forward: Simon Grix
You could make a strong case for Ben Harrison here who was a bigger and probably better 'forward' but I think Grix was the best all round player we had over the whole decade and I had to fit him in somewhere. What great character he had too to keep persevering after the injuries he had and credit to the club for sticking by him. Grix was a completely unique talent in my time as a Wire fan. You have lots of players who get moved around out of position to 'do a job' but he excelled wherever he was put, loose forward, centre or stand-off too. He never seemed like a player 'out of position' and being a utility player never seemed to be a drag on him in the way it often is for other players like that. On Ben Harrison - probably underrated as his peak days coincided with there being a lot of stars around him, but he was another superb pick up at a young age from Cullen.
So there's my starting 13. I think my bench would be Carvell, P Wood, Solomona and one of Bridge or Ratchford.
Hopefully that will stir some memories and would be good to hear your comments, memories or changes you'd make...
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| Hick's omission left me cold..... i dont want to see any stats either.
Really good read that though... hard to argue with most of that,
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| That's a really good analysis SC.
I can't argue with much of that.
I too think Hicks would be in but as you say in the time period we're discussing it's a season verses several for Monas.
(His hat trick at the CC final v Leeds was arguably the best I've ever seen. Pace,power,agility - Hicks had it all. A natural athlete and rugby player.)
We're a long way off that now unfortunately but let's not go down that route in this thread.
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| M.Monaghan had a good kicking game as well and I get your point about Hicks really hard to leave him out though, I would have him ahead of Charnley.
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| By the way its 4 Grand Finals & not 3. Chris Sandow over Myler
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| Hicks over your wingers.
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| Hard to pick holes with Sally's selection. My only alterations would be
Either Solomona or Louis Anderson ahead of Waterhouse. Personal preference, I know, but I never "got" Waterhouse's crash, bang, wallop style of second row rugby
and Daryl Clark over Monaghan, for his dynamism
Two glaring points stand out for me
Hardly any signings from recent seasons. Yes, they'd be big names to replace, but we never have
The selection of Grix. Don't get me wrong. I liked the lad. A good player, but to have him as our top loose in the last decade, highlights our poor recruitment, and my bug bear of having an "auxiliary prop" in a specialist position, which has become rife, in the last decade.
But, as I say, hard to argue with most selections
A fine side
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| Would you swap Hill Cooper and BMM
For Morley Carell and Solamona?
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| Hicks in place of Charnley for me.
Louie Anderson in place of Waterhouse.
And yeah i'd pick Ben Harrison over Grix.
All in all though that's an awesome looking team
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| Yes I thought I would have forgotten someone and Louis Anderson seems like the obvious omission. I thought he only did one year in the 2010s like Hicks but he was there in our great 2011 season too. I think it's touch and go between him and Waterhouse.
Lefty makes a good point though. Most of those players are from the first part of the decade. If it was a team from 2015 onwards, it would look very different, probably something like:
Ratchford; Charnley, Lineham; Atkins, Goodwin; Austin, Sandow; Hill, Clark, Cooper; Currie, Hughes; Westwood.
Bench: Sims, BMM, Philbin, Gidley
Nowhere near as strong.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Would you swap Hill Cooper and BMM
For Morley Carell and Solamona?'"
No, all three of the second list were better, if we're looking at Hill on 2019 form. If it was Hill in 2012 or 2013, I'd take him ahead of Morley or Carvell.
Solomona was more effective for us than BMM but some of that was due to who he had around him. Both of those guys are game changers that could be frustrating but you don't notice their flaws as much when you're winning easily. If Solomona played in the more recent teams, his work ethic and consistency would be much more under the spotlight. Similar to how perceptions of Kelly Shelford changed dramatically between 1994 and 1997.
BMM would have probably scored a lot in the earlier TS teams but Solomona brought something different so I'd have preferred him at the time.
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| Can’t argue with a lot of that team. I’d juggle it around though and put King on a wing and squeeze Bridge in. He was fantastic for us, Monaghan in particular benefited from his creativity time and again.
And Harrison over Grix. I’m a card holding member of the Grix fan club, but Ben Harrison made us tick. His engine was superb.
Scary seeing the decline in talent across the league from the days where we had these players. Players like Hodgson and Monaghan just aren’t in the game anymore, the guile and craft they played with was mesmerising.
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| Christ yeah how could i forget about Bridge, Quality player for us
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Would you swap Hill Cooper and BMM
For Morley Carell and Solamona?'"
All playing in their pomp ?
No.
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| Myler? Goodness me that tells you as much as you need to know about the ragtag collection of playmakers we've had.
For talent, Sandow was streets ahead of the rest including Austin.
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| Halfbacks: Lee Briers and Richie Myler
The first 4 seasons of this decade saw Briers become a Wire legend. For me he's second in our history with only Bevan ahead. What a complete player he was at the back end of his career, he was the best player I've seen at taking a team round the park and being able to dictate the agenda
If you think lee briers is second only to brian bevan in the list of wire legends it probably helps to explain why you lot havent won a championship since old bandaged knees was playing, as for being the best youve ever seen at taking a team round the park , i take you never saw andy gregory, sean long, bobby goulding, kevin sinfield, alex murphy, john woods not too mention a load of aussie halfbacks......you lot really are the gift that keeps giving
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| Quote ="Redvee69"Halfbacks: Lee Briers and Richie Myler
The first 4 seasons of this decade saw Briers become a Wire legend. For me he's second in our history with only Bevan ahead. What a complete player he was at the back end of his career, he was the best player I've seen at taking a team round the park and being able to dictate the agenda
If you think lee briers is second only to brian bevan in the list of wire legends it probably helps to explain why you lot havent won a championship since old bandaged knees was playing, as for being the best youve ever seen at taking a team round the park , i take you never saw andy gregory, sean long, bobby goulding, kevin sinfield, alex murphy, john woods not too mention a load of aussie halfbacks......you lot really are the gift that keeps giving'"
Why are you bothered Redneck69?
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"Why are you bothered Redneck69?'"
Im not but you lot are soooooo easy, champions can laugh the rest of you can please your bloody selves
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| Quote ="Redvee69"Im not but you lot are soooooo easy, champions can laugh the rest of you can please your bloody selves'"
SL Champions in RL are soon forgotten...that's how it is...however the gilt of a Challenge Cup win lingers on.
The greater number of people always remember the winners on terrestrial TV.
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| Oh dear, here he is again (redvee69), can't help himself can he!
keep sticking the boot in pal.
don't forget the higher you climb the further you fall,
you might think you are clever & funny but spouting guff about the Wire but our day will come!
By the way can I borrow your jag on Wednesday, have some crap taking to the tip.
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| Against NZ in the recent tests Hill was doing what he does best ,ball playing forward capable of quick play the ball as well.
If we get back to a game plan that includes open play like that we might start winning more games.
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| Always difficult with these lists to determine how important longevity is. Think SC was right to omit Hicks on that basis.
It's also why I'd say Lineham over Charnley. Lineham's been here for longer and produced some magic moments.
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| Biggest signing busts of the decade...
10. Joe Westerman
There were spells when Westerman looked like he was going to be a good player but overall I thought he underperformed. We paid a big transfer fee for him and he had a big reputation although when we signed him there was a sense that he was a player who hadn't lived up to the potential he showed when he first broke through at Cas and he wasn't a super driven and dedicated professional. He never changed those perceptions. I get the feeling that Westerman wouldn't have lasted long in an environment like Leeds, Wigan or Saints but he had enough talent that clubs the next tier down like us and Hull indulged him as a talent and big name.
9. Kevin Brown
There has been a reevaluation of Brown on here this season, as his absence hurt us. I was a lot higher on Brown than most when we signed him, I thought there was prejudice against him because of the teams he'd played for before but I always thought he was a good player and he carried Widnes during his time there. With us he had a couple of games where he looked really good but generally didn't live up to his past performances. But he seems to have been universally well regarded by teammates and coaches, including Wayne Bennett who had him in the England team in the World Cup, and he was a tough player who had bad luck with injuries particularly concussions, so I find it hard to be critical. I think this was a signing that really hurt TS, after losing both finals in 2016 we really needed something that would help take us to a higher level. Sandow walked out on us and we picked up Brown and he didn't provide us with the same kind of threat. We transformed in to a more predictable and pedestrian side and the fans seemed to really lay in to Brown and TS that year.
8. Anthony England
Possibly expectations about England were unfairly high because we had struck gold with Chris Hill and because England just 'looked' like he was going to be good. I know all SL forwards are big guys, but he had the hulking, confident physique of someone who looked like he was going to impose himself. He already had a long career behind him in the lower divisions and I think he was 28 in his first season with us, so it was different from signing a young prospect. Overall I felt he hovered just below the threshold of SL standard for most of his time with us, and looked more suited to the Championship. But he went on to play for Wakefield and seemed to do ok so fair play to him.
7. Jason Clark
Clark hasn't been [ibad[/i, he just gets on this list because he's underwhelmed compared to what we expected. He had glowing tributes from South Sydney and the reports from the NRL were that he was a workhorse, ultimate professional, heart of a team etc. That type of signing, like Darren Burns, Sid Domic, tends to be low risk, they are the ones who usually do very well and become popular on the terraces. But Clark hasn't seemed like he was close to say the performance level of Ben Harrison. He's been 'just a guy' so far.
6. Gary Wheeler
Utility back with a bad run of injuries early in his career? Given what happened with Simon Grix, I was willing to give Wheeler a chance but I think we always knew this was going to be a gamble of a signing. It didn't pay off. I had forgotten about him but it seems like he's going to be back in SL next year with Toronto so we'll see if we missed anything.
5. Ryan Bailey
If you had said to me that we were going to sign one of the Leeds golden generation I would have said I'll be delighted with everyone of them [iapart from one[/i. Bailey always seemed like the odd one out from that group in terms of his attitude. He came across as surly, arrogant and fancied himself as a bit of a hardman, and in his Leeds days I always felt he was a level lower in talent than those others too. He never seemed more than a numbers-filler with us, and I never liked seeing him in our team.
4. Matty Russell
This threw sand in the theory that Wigan give their young players more chances to develop than we do. From my memory it was seen as a surprise that Wigan cut him so early and people were saying it could be a Shaun Briscoe situation where he came back to make them regret it. He looked like he had potential, good footwork, fast and brave. We gave him chance after chance after chance to develop with more time in the first team and he never seemed to improve much. He was good at what he was good at - running the ball out of dummy half early in the tackle count and making some yards to take the pressure off the forwards. But he never offered much else. He reminded me of Dean Gaskell a decade earlier. After Price came in he was shifted out pretty quickly.
3. Mitchell Dodds
Feels harsh to put him this highly on the bust list as it wasn't his fault. Seemed like an impressive signing when we got him, as he had a good reputation at Brisbane Broncos but suffered an awful broken leg at the start of his career here and that ended his career as a first teamer in the top level of professional RL. I don't think he played an NRL first team game again after he returned home. A sad situation for us and for him.
2. Tyrone Roberts
With hindsight this was a massively overhyped signing considering his NRL pedigree. He'd been halfback of two struggling teams and never made a major impact in the NRL. He had a good highlight reel montage which showed a few tricks, which probably generated the hype. People were touting him as a 'Man of Steel contender' when we signed him. I was down in Aus that off season for the Ashes and World Cup and the Aussie fans who I chatted to were surprised that he was considered a significant signing, their verdict was he was a so-so player who had never come close to being in the top tier over there. He probably had one significant game for us - the CC quarter final when we beat Wigan 23-0. Other than that, he maybe wasn't as bad as some made out, he wasn't prone to making lots of errors, he just shifted the ball about from side to side and never really showed any gamebreaking threat.
1. Roy Asotasi
I had a bad feeling about this signing when he was supposed to be Samoa captain for the 2013 world cup and did a no-show for training camp. This was a classic example of signing a player based on his form of a few years earlier and missing signs that he was on a steep decline. He'd been one of the drivers of Souths revival and he'd been consistently one of the top 3 or so props in the NRL. We signed him to replace Morley who we had allowed to go to Salford after seeing that Morley wasn't the same player in his last season, and we were right judging by his Salford form. But we'd missed exactly the same thing happening with Asotasi hence Souths being willing to ship him on to us. And whereas Morley at least kept running it in as hard as he could for a couple of years with his home town club, Asotasi was expensive passenger and gave off the impression that he was going through the motions in his Wire career.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"SL Champions in RL are soon forgotten...that's how it is...however the gilt of a Challenge Cup win lingers on.
The greater number of people always remember the winners on terrestrial TV.'"
Not many people will forget your last championship win.......theres not many folk alive who remember it
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| Quote ="Redvee69"Not many people will forget your last championship win.......theres not many folk alive who remember it'"
In a different time the Premiership was it although sadly still a generation ago.
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