.............looked a better winger than any we have at the club right now in his performance against Toronto yesterday. I confess that I've always rated him and felt he didn't get the rub of the green in his time here.

I would guess that he has found his level. Not a super league player in any shape or form.

Just want to add that Mitch Brown looked steady as a rock on Friday, which is exactly what we needed. Great to see that the right edge was not a basket case at it had been previous.

No way is Williams better than Lineham.

I too thought Brown on Friday looked the part. Not spectacular but a good all-round game.

Brown did plenty enough to keep his place. However that was a howler of a fumble he made. If that had have been Russell, they'd be dabs waning to stage a sit in!

which fumble was that?

I only remember him dropping the ball once, and that was to pat it back to Atkins to score!

Will have to watch the re-run again but it mustn’t have been a significant error near our own line.

Never rated him,bit rich by me but I’d have Russell before him lol.

No errors from Brown according to the stats. www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... port/73775

No errors from Brown according to the stats. www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... port/73775

Brown was solid.. great debut for him and a great bit of thinking to dab that ball back for Atkins try.... showed presence of a proper "rubgy brain" which isnt one of Russells strengths....

I also thought Mitch's name sake had his best game in the P&B since the broncos game last year...... Kevin had his hands on the ball more than anyone (including our new messiah Tyrone) and lead the team around the park well.. credit where credits due from one of his biggest critics.. me!

Thanks fellas. It was a long way from where I stood.
May have confused it. It seemed to happen on the right edge.

Also saw Brown staying on the try line when Williams was moving laterally across the line about 15 metres from our in goal looking for options. Cut off the diagonal kick option with a bit of common sense and winger nouse as the rest of our defence was able to move up without worrying about a kick behind them.

Rhys Williams is an honest professional with a limited game. We've had too much of that recently like Williams and Rhys Evans, currently Matty Russell is the obvious one.

They have all tried their hardest for us, they just haven't been very effective.

Only fumble of any significance was the Atkins fumble with the try line begging at the end of the first half. Mitch Brown had a hand in both our tries, making significant ground into the Wigan 20 prior to the ball being switched left for Tommy's try and his leap and pat back for the Atkins try.

I watch Rhys a lot at London and he is a standout player in the Championship. Bigger, stronger and quicker than most of his opponents, and he scored a great try yesterday where he hared down the touchline, weaved in and out and left the covering defender on his booty.

Would he make it in Super League? Not sure. Like many British wingers, he has his frailties and Rhys' are the low grubber in behind him and his decision making under pressure. He is a player I enjoy watching at London because he scores proper wingers' tries and gives his all in every game.

No disrespect to Rhys, but compare him to Chris Riley:

Riley was a slightly above average winger, small on size, who had the benefit of playing in an amazing trophy winning team and because of that he looked the part and had an excellent try-scoring record (he was an outstanding finisher).

Rhys Williams was coming through at the tail end of that great era and yet couldn’t hold down a first team place, nor stand out as a great finisher. I can’t see how he would suddenly solve our wing problems. Arguably Matty Russell would look outstanding from broken play in the championship, topping the scoring charts.

How’s Ryan Brierly doing since he stepped up to Super League?

That's an easy one, he's back in the Championship

He scored 21 tries in 29 games so his finishing record was not bad. Also didn't he play outside Atkins who according to people on here never puts his winger in. So you can probably double that try scoring record if he was playing outside another centre, that would be like Offiah rate of scoring.

Could it be that he is another of our academy wingers who might have been the next Offiah, if only he'd been given a regular run in the side nad not dropped and had his confidence ruined...?

Isn't he also the all-time leading try scorer for Wales international RL side?

I don’t think TS trusted any homegrown winger.

He was never good enough for a decent Super League side. Because of his height, or lack of it, opposition targeted him with bombs and scored with ease. He was never a Jason Robinson who’s skills made up for the lack of height. More a Shaun Ainscough.

Quote ="Kwik Fertle"He was never good enough for a decent Super League side. Because of his height, or lack of it, opposition targeted him with bombs and scored with ease. He was never a Jason Robinson who’s skills made up for the lack of height. More a Shaun Ainscough.'" You just reminded me of Shaun Ainscough and his match-winning assist (for the wrong team): https://youtu.be/C4cg1_07XpU

Quote ="Kwik Fertle"He was never good enough for a decent Super League side. Because of his height, or lack of it, opposition targeted him with bombs and scored with ease. He was never a Jason Robinson who’s skills made up for the lack of height. More a Shaun Ainscough.'" You just reminded me of Shaun Ainscough and his match-winning assist (for the wrong team): https://youtu.be/C4cg1_07XpU

Chris Riley was first choice for five seasons, Rhys Williams and Gene Ormsby got a couple of seasons between them as starters and he brought back Kevin Penny who also had a couple of seasons.

Which home grown winger do you think should have had more games and which one do you think should have been in ahead Chris Hicks or Joel Monaghan?

Williams looked to have a bit of talent but was bone idle and just seemed apathetic with no get and go

Chris Riley was sent to London, and I still (and probably always will) think Penny was badly mishandled. Ormsby was always a makeweight. I’m not saying any would have been ahead of Hicks or Monaghan. But may have been ahead of Russell. Strange how Evans and Russell were allowed to be average without being dropped but those wingers weren’t.