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If you go to companies house they have a PDF of the accounts https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... ng-history Group of companies' accounts made up to 30 November 2016.

If you go to companies house they have a PDF of the accounts https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... ng-history Group of companies' accounts made up to 30 November 2016.

The dreaded 'C' word coming up again in that interview..It costs money to make money.

Should fully expect next year's accounts to be even worse. Lower attendances especially qualifier compared to Super 8s, not extra merchandise opportunities that we had with the two finals of last year

Concerning times I'd say

I don't see too much of a problem with the overspending in 2016. Yes ... the financial fallout from the performances on the field this season will be the main concern.

Perhaps we are carrying too many staff in our extended back room...too many jobs for the boys.

Considering there was probably an additional £500k from Wembley & OT, not to mention improved revenues from attendances, a loss of that amount would seem concerning.

Our new CEO's comments on money spent by Draper would seem verified with this financial result. I would imagine an onfield performance of 2017 coupled with the expenditure of 2016 would have resulted in a loss approaching £1M. Draper championed the 'fan experience', I'm not sure my 'fan experience' has improved to the degree the additional cost outlay warrants.

People can wish for SBW all they like, but there must be a sustainable business model behind it.

The positives are the turnover £6,388,933 (up £252,845) and merchandise £785,062 (up £265,37icon_cool.gif. But that was with the top place finish, and 2 finals.

We are also making repayment of borrowings £27,750, and repayment of bank loans £153,139.

I wonder what we got for that much of an increased spend on Administration though £6,865,381 (up by £866,293)

We also had;

9 extra players compared to 2015
5 more administration
2 fewer ground and matchday staff

Taking into account social security and pension costs, wages were up by £534,287.

£811,854 is owed to parent company SJM Holdings.

To be honest probably not. For a company that turns over £7M, to increase one off spending on branding etc to the tune of £1M a year will knacker your accounts. Trying to absorb 12.5% additional spending to only loose £250k is a decent achievement.

Warrington do a lot wrong regarding the important stuff regarding results, recruitment, and responding in a timely fashion to remedy those major flaws. Financial control though looks pretty tight. I'd expect we'd break even this year, worst case.

What is even more concerning is that the RFL now have Draper on board. The last thing this sport needs is millions wasted on consultants... Is Draper an RFU double-agent or something?

Not necessarily, it could depend on what new signings and what may or may not happen regarding coaching for next year that will have a bearing on season ticket sales and general attendance. It's a wait and see thing now.

We made 73k net profit in 2015 (pre tax)
We made 263k net loss in 2016 (pre tax)

Considering our revenues and costs sit at around 5-7million per year, and our net profit is so low, any slight fluctuation in either would see us swing between a few 100k ether side of profit or loss.

I actually applaud the board for running the club so close to the break even line. We're a sports club, we (ideologically) shouldn't be making huge profits. It should be reinvesting in itself. The board also didn't take any dividends this year.

The balance sheet of the company ended in 2015 on 12.26 mil
The balance sheet of the company ended in 2016 on 12.15 mil

The company has lost 108k from it's balance sheet, which is 0.88% of it's value.

Drop in the ocean. The directors know exactly where that money has gone, and it's all completely controllable. It's not as if we're hemorrhaging money and they can't stop it.

It's interesting to see the financial state of the club, but a non-story for me.

are any other teams results out.....???

will we see a direct link to the Marquee player rule and increased club losses......

you would think so......

I don't buy into all this propaganda about Draper blowing money on "consultants", whatever that means. The spending will have been agreed by the board, which is ultimately and collectively responsible.

The problem is always that boards always buy into spending big on things like branding but expect instant results. When it doesn't happen they inevitably blame someone and revert back to the status quo, leaving the new brand as little more than a change of logo.

Ps the rebrand was totally unnecessary and the logo is horrific, but it was all agreed by the board.

the re-brand was probably unnecessary but I disagree I think the new logo is great... its modern and easily identifiable ...I even carved the logo in a pumpkin last Halloween you couldn't do that with the old one, far too much detail.
And that was one of the main ideas behind the new logo (ease of recognition and publishing...not for the ease of pumpkin carving!!).

should that have pushed us a quarter of a million on the red...?? not really....

The only people who know the full breakdown of the figures will be the accountants, the auditors, (most of) the board and (maybe) the Inland Revenue.

People have picked up on the amount spent on rebranding etc by RD but are speculating on the amounts. Nobody has mention the expenditure on training facilities, timeline heritage etc etc. A £1/2m increase in Admin expenses might seem a huge amount BUT under the Companies Act, what qualifies as "Admin" is far wider than simple backroom office expenditure.

Already there is speculation that with the results this season, 2017s numbers will be worse. How do we know ? Yes, ticket sales and merchandising may be down but how much from that (unknown) 2016 expenditure wont be repeated.

Relatively speaking, with all the economic uncertainty there was during 2016, the financial problems within the game generally, the headline figures, coupled with the headline explanations dont make too bad reading. Has anybody seen SM heading for the exit with his cheque book ? No ? If he isnt concerned (like I say, when he will be party to far more details than the public) why should the rest of us be.

I'm not a fan of the badge overall, but i do like it monochrome stylee and half faced like they use on the members cards and on the doors at the stadium and that, i think it looks effective (mind i think they should bring back Lupus non mordet lupum, so what do i know?)

I would say, in terms of the re brand, and the enhanced fan experience, we're back to pre-roger meddling, except we have a new logo, which has been received luke warm by fans, we've got a new shop, which personally, i'm not sure is better.

Everything else seems to have ground to a halt, the selfie stuff on the pitch, the DJ and occasional saxamaphone player, the pre match interviews under the stand (which i'm still not sure why tony smith agreed to do those), the lights don't seem to get much use any more(as a summer sport you could argue they were as wise an investment as under soil heating would be), we no longer have the fan club(official) i don't know what contact is like between the club and the supporters trust now, and i don't think the fan ambassadors are doing the rounds anymore, i've certainly not seen them.

A couple of friends went to the chat with karl the other week, they said it was a bit more like the meetings that the Supporters trust used to do, cosy and informal, yet we had some people, on facebook/the guardian banging on that they wanted another do at the pyramid in order to get in cos they liked the show, for me it was very much like an alan partridge event with the headsets and watching the 3 IT website developers trying to show us a demo, and then asking a room full of sports fans if they've ever heard of 'OPTA stats'?

Looking back, he really was a man with a bag of magic beans.



#HARDWIRED

The badge looks like a badger.

Oh and bring back live bands (purely unselfishly like)

I like the town coat of arms.
We should have both. Coat of arms on the chest. Logo on the shorts.

Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"I'm not a fan of the badge overall, but i do like it monochrome stylee and half faced like they use on the members cards and on the doors at the stadium and that, i think it looks effective (mind i think they should bring back Lupus non mordet lupum, so what do i know?) I would say, in terms of the re brand, and the enhanced fan experience, we're back to pre-roger meddling, except we have a new logo, which has been received luke warm by fans, we've got a new shop, which personally, i'm not sure is better. Everything else seems to have ground to a halt, the selfie stuff on the pitch, the DJ and occasional saxamaphone player, the pre match interviews under the stand (which i'm still not sure why tony smith agreed to do those), the lights don't seem to get much use any more(as a summer sport you could argue they were as wise an investment as under soil heating would be), we no longer have the fan club(official) i don't know what contact is like between the club and the supporters trust now, and i don't think the fan ambassadors are doing the rounds anymore, i've certainly not seen them. A couple of friends went to the chat with karl the other week, they said it was a bit more like the meetings that the Supporters trust used to do, cosy and informal, yet we had some people, on facebook/the guardian banging on that they wanted another do at the pyramid in order to get in cos they liked the show, for me it was very much like an alan partridge event with the headsets and watching the 3 IT website developers trying to show us a demo, and then asking a room full of sports fans if they've ever heard of 'OPTA stats'? Looking back, he really was a man with a bag of magic beans. #HARDWIRED'" The badge and branding overall is very good, it's just the look of the wolf they didn't get quite right. I don't mind it though. Club shop I think was improved as it was like a jumble sale at times, and dark with those boxes everywhere. The lights I think they would have rented them when required, as they were setup for the match and then removed after. They do need to get some of the fan experience aspects back for the people who like those things, just not karaoke. It was Hex Digital that did the website https://hexdigital.com/case-studies/warrington-wolves nearly 2 years on the Internet moves quickly and in places the website looks dated again. It also doesn't do Opta stats. Pyramid events were quite good and informative, but it was a bit strange to use there as it actually has a smaller capacity than the lounge in the East Stand. Sound system - a lot of speakers but still have trouble hearing talking, people with mouth too near the microphone possibly? Hand dryers - not much improvement on the models they replaced. Queues - Never seems to be any improvement on the speed of service. Probably loses the club a lot of sales, the Jack Fish bar is the worst.

Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"I'm not a fan of the badge overall, but i do like it monochrome stylee and half faced like they use on the members cards and on the doors at the stadium and that, i think it looks effective (mind i think they should bring back Lupus non mordet lupum, so what do i know?) I would say, in terms of the re brand, and the enhanced fan experience, we're back to pre-roger meddling, except we have a new logo, which has been received luke warm by fans, we've got a new shop, which personally, i'm not sure is better. Everything else seems to have ground to a halt, the selfie stuff on the pitch, the DJ and occasional saxamaphone player, the pre match interviews under the stand (which i'm still not sure why tony smith agreed to do those), the lights don't seem to get much use any more(as a summer sport you could argue they were as wise an investment as under soil heating would be), we no longer have the fan club(official) i don't know what contact is like between the club and the supporters trust now, and i don't think the fan ambassadors are doing the rounds anymore, i've certainly not seen them. A couple of friends went to the chat with karl the other week, they said it was a bit more like the meetings that the Supporters trust used to do, cosy and informal, yet we had some people, on facebook/the guardian banging on that they wanted another do at the pyramid in order to get in cos they liked the show, for me it was very much like an alan partridge event with the headsets and watching the 3 IT website developers trying to show us a demo, and then asking a room full of sports fans if they've ever heard of 'OPTA stats'? Looking back, he really was a man with a bag of magic beans. #HARDWIRED'" The badge and branding overall is very good, it's just the look of the wolf they didn't get quite right. I don't mind it though. Club shop I think was improved as it was like a jumble sale at times, and dark with those boxes everywhere. The lights I think they would have rented them when required, as they were setup for the match and then removed after. They do need to get some of the fan experience aspects back for the people who like those things, just not karaoke. It was Hex Digital that did the website https://hexdigital.com/case-studies/warrington-wolves nearly 2 years on the Internet moves quickly and in places the website looks dated again. It also doesn't do Opta stats. Pyramid events were quite good and informative, but it was a bit strange to use there as it actually has a smaller capacity than the lounge in the East Stand. Sound system - a lot of speakers but still have trouble hearing talking, people with mouth too near the microphone possibly? Hand dryers - not much improvement on the models they replaced. Queues - Never seems to be any improvement on the speed of service. Probably loses the club a lot of sales, the Jack Fish bar is the worst.

Be interesting to know the value the books put on our playing assets

The badge is horrific it looks less like a Wolf than anything I have ever seen. Bring back the Wolf with teeth. As for the Supporters Trust, after being demoted & pushed sideways by RD & hope they will now be appreciated for the work they have done & the money they have raised over the years for our young players.