Being rather petulant lately. Seems to be increasingly easily riled up when in previous years I never found this behaviour from him. Today he elbowed Danny Walker in the face, it was only a slight bump but there was no need for it and he could cop something for that, also a couple of weeks ago against Leeds he tried squaring up to Ablett when again, there was no need for it, Ablett wasn't causing any issue after the penalty had been given and still Hill decided to punch the ball from his grasp. I know he's captain, but he's getting a little bit mouthy with the referee too this year, and it's not just asking questions, he's clearly frustrated and I feel like even if it's perhaps justified if the decision is clearly wrong he's slightly over stepping in his protests... Anybody else of the same feeling? Maybe he needs a break from the captaincy?

I think it is frustration. We are playing poorly and he is struggling for form this season. He seems to be complaining to the referee with an exasperated look on his face quite often.

This is what I've by dying to see from Hilly since he signed.A bit of biff what's missing from this team + long may it continue.

Could he cop a ban for it?

He is not a patch on last year, steady but not playing to his standards, to me he looks unfit maybe due to no pre-season, when your unfit you lie on a lot and he must be our worse offender this year

He's not at full fitness and he's still playing. I always thought that as quality as a player he's always been, he was far too nice. I'm glad to see a bit of mongrel in him. Once he's back fully fit he'll find his old form and add that with the bit of 'Westwood' that he seems to have picked up, he'll be top drawer.

A bit of mongrel is fine when it's your natural state, that bit of menace that a player has that says to an opponent beware don't mess with me or my team mates.

I don't obviously know but Chris Hill's 'mongrel' isn't a believable threat, it's come about by trying to be a leader during a frustrating period of form for him and the team and cocking an elbow at a 17 year old on national TV really? He should have just smiled given him the ball and patted the lad on the head, the young shaver and Widnes got exactly the reaction that they wanted.

Oh I agree about him elbowing Danny was stupid and uncalled for. I'm talker more about the bigger picture, not that one incident. Danny is a top lad and won't be feared by that in the slightest. I agree Chris doing that benefitted the Chemics more than it benefitted us.

I just mean I'm happy to see him try and rough his game up in general a bit. Players like hock and Westwood we're/are feared because of their old school style. Hill was feared and well respected because of his professionalism and his good nature. But even players like that need to have a bit of 'C U Next Tuesday' in em. Look at Sam Burgess, not a dirty player but he wont take any nonsense.

I was disappointed in his reaction, I assume it was the height disparity that led to connecting where it did but I expect him to be up before the disciplinary. Worst case is its an attack to the head of an opponent.
As for the "lying on" that always seems to have been part of his game, plenty of penalties last season for the same offence.
None of the above undermines my high regard for him.

Hill. Very costly player. Sometimes I question wether this penalty count of sets his presence.

I'm not sure his penalties are any more costly than Matty Russell constantly getting turfed into touch. Which player would you rather be missing a for a big game.....any game in fact ?

Oh come on RD, that has to be a wind up.

Chris Hill cautioned. Sims has a grade B charge for standing on Ah Van.

When was the Sims incident? Didn't see that one.

Think it was on his hand at the PTB not much reaction from either player, fair play to Ah Van looked a bit of an accident as Sims was sorting himself out

Really squaring up to a 17yo rookie is a bit of mongrel I call it embarrassing and he was being a bully if anything there's a difference same as the reason baily was generally disliked and disregarded as a good forward as he went after the smaller guys

Hill has been way off mark this year as have many in the team but his pens are always in bad positions first or last tackle on their line or on our own which is probably why sticks in mind more than some others and again born out of frustration at the teams performance and his own being below par from his own high standards!

Hills a solid prop but if we're hoping for an enforcer or for him to step into westwoods boots then hill is just not te man for all of his attributes then that's not one of them julien has put more big hits in this season that I have seen hill in his time with us again not a derogatory observation just don't think it's part of his game



I'd be looking at someone like Taylor or watts from hull to fill westwoods boots rather than anyone we have to step up.

Maybe he's been reading up on tactical biff.

Believe that Taylor only left Wigan because he wanted to be closer to home. This was before Hull's resurgence too, so I doubt he'll be going anywhere any time soon.

Correct. Taylor was desperate to play for his hometown club and when they showed some interest in him, Taylor signed a contract with Hull to move back over to East Yorkshire after his contract with Wigan was over. He did this though without telling/discussing it with anyone at Wigan first.

Wayne understandably hit the roof and that's why he hardly featured for you lot towards the end of his career at Wigan. He was frozen out.

Or so the story goes allegedly.

I only wish he had. No his penalties are daft nothings messing about in a tackle. Pathetic stuff really.
And for come on RD....no one is beyond critic when they are playing poorly. His niggles in defence cost us meters and another set of six to defend against.
Dumb.

I know the penalties are stupid. But so is the suggestion that because of those penalties we would be better off without Hill.

I haven't read that from anyone on here and neither have I said suggested it.

Isn't that what you meant? Because that is how I read it.

I read it as do his pros out weigh his cons?? I think this question is more often asked when he's just given a penalty away in our line



Westwoods pens are generally du to a bit of over exuberance hills just seem a bit out of character given his general high standards. I think he is prone to a daft penalty but his lack of fitness is probably adding to the count also so hopefully we will start to see that lower as he gets back to 100% match fitness

"better off without him" and questioning his on field presence on occasions, are two very different things.