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Apologies if this has been posted already, but I thought it would be of interest.
Good little video here:
www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... -league-20
Personally I think it is very good to see. Wigan trained at this place last season, and it was an area of the game that they really excelled at. Their technique at the tackle in both attack and defence was (for me) the biggest difference in the play off game. Wire were getting turned onto their back at almost every tackle, whereas Wigan were able to get to floor on their own terms, get up quickly, and get a quick PTB.
I read another article which said Warrington will be continuing this training throughout the season.
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Apologies if this has been posted already, but I thought it would be of interest.
Good little video here:
www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... -league-20
Personally I think it is very good to see. Wigan trained at this place last season, and it was an area of the game that they really excelled at. Their technique at the tackle in both attack and defence was (for me) the biggest difference in the play off game. Wire were getting turned onto their back at almost every tackle, whereas Wigan were able to get to floor on their own terms, get up quickly, and get a quick PTB.
I read another article which said Warrington will be continuing this training throughout the season.
I really think this will make a difference to the team. | |
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Like the idea and if it helps to improve technique then I am all for it, I just think that this sort of tactic will be a dead rubber if the 2 ref system comes in as hopefully slow ptb's that arise from this technique will be a thing of the past.
BTW the training kit is god awful!
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It's interesting really because I'm sure a lot of you (and the rest of SL) was moaning about the speed of the ptb when playing Wigan last season.
If a lot of teams really do concentrate on this aspect of the game: does that benefit the sport? Is it a matter of if you can't beat them. Join them?
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| Quote ="Albion"It's interesting really because I'm sure a lot of you (and the rest of SL) was moaning about the speed of the ptb when playing Wigan last season.
If a lot of teams really do concentrate on this aspect of the game: does that benefit the sport? Is it a matter of if you can't beat them. Join them?'"
I think thats the case Albion, its obvious the refs are doing nothing to combat it at the moment so why not join them, it irks me though as I cant stand slow ptb's and hope the 2 ref system comes in to stop it. |
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| Quote ="Albion"It's interesting really because I'm sure a lot of you (and the rest of SL) was moaning about the speed of the ptb when playing Wigan last season.
If a lot of teams really do concentrate on this aspect of the game: does that benefit the sport? Is it a matter of if you can't beat them. Join them?'"
Obviously you didn't listen to what our Tony said, we're not using it for the 'wigan' style of grappling. We apparently are using it for contact avoidance (and awareness i suppose) so that when the wrestle does hit the floor we're able to get down in a better fashion, for us and be able to sit out and stand up quicker.
I know Paul Wood is a big fan of MMA and used to do Judo a while back so it's right up his street especially in terms of using Newaza. If anything i reckon this is something they've done directly to compete against Wigan, which as you pointed out we complained about as we struggled against it. |
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With our Pie copied Kung fu, we can have our players celebrate doing a Martin Offiah roundhouse kick in front of the opposition fans.
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| They will all be wearing scrum caps if the look of that guys ears is a glimpse of what is to happen!!  |
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It was always going to happen when Mick Turner took up his position at Wire.
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This training is to COMBAT the Wigan tactic, not COPY it.
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The RFL and NRL need to be monitoring this trend very, very carefully. Wrestling and MMA techniques to win the collision are one thing. However Wigan's suspect morality meant it quickly sunk to attacking and manipulating knee joints in an attempt to injure opposition players. We really don't need clubs other than Wigan looking for new techniques to injure players, the game is dangerous enough as it is.
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I would much prefer to marvel at the level of skill on display than the number of half nelsons ,full body slams & leg over step locks during a match.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"The RFL and NRL need to be monitoring this trend very, very carefully. Wrestling and MMA techniques to win the collision are one thing. However Wigan's suspect morality meant it quickly sunk to attacking and manipulating knee joints in an attempt to injure opposition players. We really don't need clubs other than Wigan looking for new techniques to injure players, the game is dangerous enough as it is.'"
Not a bad post for a Saints guy. |
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Obviously you didn't listen to what our Tony said, we're not using it for the 'wigan' style of grappling. We apparently are using it for contact avoidance (and awareness i suppose) so that when the wrestle does hit the floor we're able to get down in a better fashion, for us and be able to sit out and stand up quicker.
I know Paul Wood is a big fan of MMA and used to do Judo a while back so it's right up his street especially in terms of using Newaza. If anything i reckon this is something they've done directly to compete against Wigan, which as you pointed out we complained about as we struggled against it.'"
Newaza? Is that a new 2015 boundary extension of Wazza? |
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Quote ="Asgardian13"Newaza? Is that a new 2015 boundary extension of Wazza?'"
You know, five years ago, i would have banned you for using that word 
Ahem, ne-waza, judo ground fighting www.youtube.com/watch?v=SejxYheSX-E |
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You know, five years ago, i would have banned you for using that word
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From the posts on this thread (particularly from Saints and Wigan fans) it seems that the majority of people haven't bothered to watch and LISTEN to the video before commenting.
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Quite! Clearly states the whole exercise is to help Warrington players get themselves OFF the floor quickly. Obviously this is in order for a quick PTB and to negate other teams holding down tactics. No mention of holding down, wrestling, grappling or winning any collisions.
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Wigan already have a tactic for quick play the ball. They surrender themselves in the tackle immediately.
There game is not to readily look for an off load like us.
Pie emphasis is on a structured (BORING) game plan.
As well as looking to mane the opposition key backs.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"From the posts on this thread (particularly from Saints and Wigan fans) that the majority of psople haven't bothered to watch and LISTEN to the video before commenting.'"
Absolutely right. Smith is not joining the Wigan/Huddersfield defensive tactic, he's looking for a way of defeating it. |
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"Quite! Clearly states the whole exercise is to help Warrington players get themselves OFF the floor quickly. Obviously this is in order for a quick PTB and to negate other teams holding down tactics. No mention of holding down, wrestling, grappling or winning any collisions.'"
No one actually believes that do they?? I know some fans are incredibly naïve about what goes on in training, but seriously - anybody who believes what Tony Smith was saying (or more importantly not saying) there must be soft in the head.
He is right, it is about getting OFF the floor quickly..... it is also about turtling the ball carrier and making sure you get to floor on your terms when you are on attack. |
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