So how do we think our pack has fared this season?



It's been a bit of a transitional year for our pack this season.... We have seen probably the best front row in SL of Morley, Monaghan, Carvell from a few years ago start to decline with none of them starting games anymore.

Hill have been the standout prop yet again. His stats are superb in every column... Morley hasnt had a good year with injuries.. looks like we are getting rid at the right time. Wood has had a good solid season... Great meters from cooper in his limited appearances

Westwood has been good in places, but hasn't been as good as the previous years.... He certainly seems to have done Waterhouses running for him... 1063 more meters and 126 more carries... its no wonder he always looks knackered... An average of under 50m a game for Waterhouse with ball in hand isnt great.

Currie has had a decent year averaging over 7m per carry.... be interesting to see him progress next season.

*EDIT - Forgot to say we should be literally praising the lord for Highams form this season. We would have been in a bit of trouble without him.

Just wondering how some of the players have played that many games - Benny 35 games, thought we'd only played about 31 inc a Wigan friendly?
Has McCarthy played 21 times - I know he's not been that great, but surely I couldn't of completely missed him that many times??

Not really looked at the stats but i think we have been better since starting with Hill and Woody.

By that you'd say Westwood has played every game this season, 26 league games, 4 cup games and 3 preseason that adds up to 33 so I'm wondering were the other two have come from?

Are they including the Exiles matches? That could be the missing two if so.

Chris Hill is an absolute beast of a player. I'd like to see his stats against other props in SL.

I think it confirms what we already suspected

Wood has had his best year
Higham, no further comment needed player of the year by a country mile
McCarthy needs to be introduced to Mr Tackle Bag

Hill is the new Westwood, an absolute machine sent back from the future by TS' son to terminate Wigan ...... and we are really, REALLY going to miss big Gaz Carvell.

I'd say yes to everyone apart from McCarthy, he's got the worst stats out of all the plays regarding games played...his time is up at Warrington if you ask me rather watch currie, Riley, bridge, laithwaite if I'm honest

You are to McCarthy as Padders is to Bridge.

Hill is a stand out. Time is right for Morley and Carvell to move on, McCarthy has been over taken by Currie and Laithwaite and can leave. Fingers crossed Anthony England can develop to be half the player that Chris Hill is, and we will have a cracking signing in him.

Fingers crossed we can get our backline fit throughout next year so we can add Grix back in to this list, started like a house on fire in the pack and deserves to have a regular spot rather than being a jack-of-all-trades. Harrison makes a difference to our pack, and I hope we get at least double the 12 appearances from him for next year.

I took the games played from love rugby..... didnt look right to me either, but i couldnt find anywhere else.

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Quote ="morleys_deckchair"I took the games played from love rugby..... didnt look right to me either, but i couldnt find anywhere else.'" Yes, those stats do look wrong. McCarthy for example has played 9 SL games, not 21. The Opta stats you are using are for SL games only. I guess love rugby have included all games, i.e. friendlies, cup and on-loan / dual reg games too - but even then they look wrong. Westwood has played 24 SL games - where do they get another 11 from? The only place I could find that SL apps look right is: www.rugby-league-world.com/2013/ ... ngton.html You will get a better set of data combining that with the Opta stats. As for our pack - and the rest of the team too - these stats are pretty good: www.superleague.co.uk/stats/club_stats We've scored most tries, 4th in tackle busts, made most metres, joint most clean breaks, most offloads and 2nd least penalties conceded. All despite making the most errors!

Quote ="morleys_deckchair"I took the games played from love rugby..... didnt look right to me either, but i couldnt find anywhere else.'" Yes, those stats do look wrong. McCarthy for example has played 9 SL games, not 21. The Opta stats you are using are for SL games only. I guess love rugby have included all games, i.e. friendlies, cup and on-loan / dual reg games too - but even then they look wrong. Westwood has played 24 SL games - where do they get another 11 from? The only place I could find that SL apps look right is: www.rugby-league-world.com/2013/ ... ngton.html You will get a better set of data combining that with the Opta stats. As for our pack - and the rest of the team too - these stats are pretty good: www.superleague.co.uk/stats/club_stats We've scored most tries, 4th in tackle busts, made most metres, joint most clean breaks, most offloads and 2nd least penalties conceded. All despite making the most errors!

Cheers SEB.. i have adjusted the stats to show the real number of games played.. i have rolled up starts and bench starts.... It makes westwoods and hills stats even better.

Looking Waterhouse, he has been very poor

Top of the offloads with 38.

I've NOT looked at the stats. They interest the club, I just go on what I see. These are just my "cold light of day" thoughts
Hill - superb
Higham - likwise
Wood - bloody good, considering the loss of a bollock, and his state of mind in the last year
Westwood - OK, but a shadow of the last few years
Waterhouse - done OK, but not played anywhere near his NRL reputation. I don't expect his contract to be renewed, come 2014
Harrison. Injured again, and being used as an auxiliary prop, nothing more, nothing less. He's not a loose forward.
Grix (when he's played there) - great, but I don't get the manlove that some have on here
Carvell- when fit, he's pretty damn good, shame to see him go
McCarthy - I'm sorry, but he's not at our level. He'll do well at a middling club, but, we can do a lot better
Cooper - well documented on here from me, he's not "kicked-on" since 2009. Thanks for your efforts, lad. Use plenty of sunscreen when you're sat on the bench for the Sydney 3rd's
Currie - Looks a cracker
MonaghanM - Still got it (at times) but a shadow of his former self

and now

I'm hating myself for typing this, BUT

Morley
It's been a season too long at the HJ
He's been picking up these 6-8 week injuries too regularly (as has Briers, but he's a back, so that's another discussion), and I'm afraid to say his performances are NOWHERE near the mark of where we want to be, or more importantly (for him), where he wants to be.

It's a VERY sad thing for me to say, BUT, I'm glad he's going. He's miles off.

Sorry, everyone.
Morley's been a beast for us, but not anymore.

As a pack thing, we almost crumble after 20 mins, when Hill/Higham/Wood are replaced. Our intensity levels drop significantly. This needs to be addressed for 2014.