Apart from the obvious stuff.

1. We don't have a lot of out and out pace in our backline apart from Ryan Atkins when he decides to turn up which isn't too often.

2. Chris Bridge Isn't a stand off but thats something the majority of fans knew anyway.

3. Matty Blythe is ok in certain games but overall i'm not convinced by him as a centre.

I'll leave it at that as i don't want to upset the Myler fan club too much, i'm sure others have their own opinions.

I thought Myler played well today...

Apart from his trademark support tries i thought both him and Chris Bridge were virtually anonymous with ball in hand, Michael Monaghan looked our only real threat in the creativity department and King with his running.

1. Wasn't Grix at SO initially?

2. We have no out and out pace period.

3. Wigan are a stronger side than us on balance.

4. We cannot cope without Briers when it counts.

5. There are better days to come this season.

Lack of pace is hardly a problem.

Hodgson, Myler, Atkins, Joel Monaghan are all quick enough and they have been shedding tries past teams all season.

I don't see who we should add that would be realistically available, to the back line, to make it better.

I don't think we have learned today that we struggle without Briers, that has hardly been a new fact for anybody who has watched Warrington for a long period.

But I think the point that Wigan are a stronger side than us on balance is true. This year we have been in superb form and they have been overall in patchy form for me, but they are top of the league, and have knocked us out of the cup.

This will not be the last time we meet Wigan this season in a big game though so there is time to put things right.

spot on...when we meet that lot again we will have morley and briers back hopefully...you never know they may have key players missing like lulu and err err

Hopefully Tomkins and Richards if we want to win.

it would knacker them for who plays full back

Maybe you need to be ruthless like Wigan have been this season, have someone clamp Tomkins so he can't move, then have an 18 stone forward dive into his knees.

What have we learnt - to win big games, against the best teams, it helps to have your best players playing - we had three missing today, and lost Solomona early in the 2nd half - but quite simply, as many other teams have learnt against us this year, you can't give a 22 point lead away and expect to come back - we nearly did, but it was just too far.



On the bright side, I'd booked a ferry to France at 11pm on Saturday 27th Aug for a family holiday - now changed to earlier in the week, so a longer holiday!!

Ridiculous post. Solomona was moving and the tackle was entirely legitimate.

It's a shame that Solomona got injured, no-one with even half a brain likes to see players getting serious injuries, but this kind of thing happens in rugby unfortunately, it is a contact sport.

Not having a pop but is there a reason why no wigan fans clapped solomona off? Maybe the sam thing at the squat?

Funny you should say that. Thats exactly what Melbourne storm did to sinfield in the wcc. Sinfield came off in that game and spent the next 2 months sidelined with a dead leg! Wigan Have done it a few times. Against Leeds too. Something madge has defo brought with him. Melbourne are still doing it to most NRL pundits disgust.

The pies might not have done that to solomona but they do do it as do Melbourne. Wigan tried it on bjb at headingly when Lima got done for it. Second tons of pies and others have half a brain after the Danny maggs reaction last season! Just see my sig material.

That's why we are optimistic that it's not a 2 horse race for the finish.

Pace is an issue with us

Which one of our forwards could run the length of the field?

Unlike Lockers, J Tomkins. Tommy leuleui

Thats what adds variety

Need to put J Mon at right centre too (wheer he prefers) and get wingers with real pace (who can play). When JM got the interception yesterday, would Chris Riley have been caught in a similar situation?

Also need to get back to the good old "up and under" worked yesterday

There are loads of things we could improve

I thought Joel was going to go the full length, it was a crucial moment in the game.

In terms of pace, I think Atkins is as quick as most.

Generally there is not much between the two teams when they are at full strength, it mainly comes down to individual performances and Wigan with Carmont, Richards, Leului and Tomkims had the best 4 player performances on the pitch.

The Wigan fans did clap Solomona off the pitch, watch the recording.

I notice yourself and Wire_85 seem to have gone AWOL on the Wigan board.

Underlined bit is spot on . JM looked like he was walking through treacle for that intercept. Wingers need a winger's pace. JM (since his comeback) doesn't show this. Bring back Riley.

Blythe is not a centre. Little "class". If he plays, it needs to be 2nd row

Bridge is NOT a half back (and hasn't been for a couple of years)

We are in ESSENTIAL need of replacements for Morley and Briers (when the fatefull days come). We looked half the team without them.

Oh, and GET THEM @@@@ING TACKLE BAGS BACK OUT. We defended appallingly, yesterday.

I think we learnt lots, but you've got to get it all into context. Wigan were better yesterday, had we completed that come back, it would have been stunning but in reality we were always just hanging in the game. For all Wigan's greatness, I did find it a little odd that they allowed us back into the game and couldn't shake us off for a long, long time. The truly great sides would have torn us a new one yesterday as we were ripe for a good hiding, in the end we sort of got one I guess.

What did I learn :-

We're carrying injuries, Atkins looked like Appo with some sort of false leg. We need to get the balance right against Bradford & Wakefield to ensure we get the points but allow these people to get injuries right, I think Rhys will come in for Atkins for example for a couple of weeks.

I learnt that we now with Myler have a genuine threat on the left edge (Brett & Monas help this) but without Briers the right is redundant. So we need him fit & firing for the business end as we'll need to carry a threat from every inch of width. Myler is also developing very well, I'm not too fussed about his two tries, but I thought he showed up well yesterday.

The wheels came off, it happens. From the ball half blowing off the tee, Westwood missing tackles, Brett dropping balls, players that have been so solid for us had a real wobbler. It happens I guess, Wigan have conceded 47 pts at home this season in a game and responded. Maybe it's the wake up call we all needed, who knows. It's not the defeat I guess, It's how you respond to it that seperates the 'champion sides'. We'll see on that ...

Yesterday, Cooper & Solomona has their best games in donkeys. If Dave is okay, and we get Morley & Harrison back soon, we're back to having a very good, solid pack with good options, one of them will get left out. I wouldn't like to say who.

Wigan smelt blood early doors, and blew us away. I think they clocked that our starting props were going to have to play big minutes as our bench props are only small minutes props, so they banked on the fact that we wouldn't come out with the same grunt as we have displayed knowing the likes of Wood would have to try to manage their energy levels. They came out and exploited this very well. In a strange way, I know think we can cope without Briers, but to beat a side like Wigan you need your biggest, strongest pack with a bench that supplements this.

We didn't control Tommy at the PTB at all, but that came on the back of the ruck speed. Same with us, when Wigan dozed for 10 mins, Monas ran riot. When the sides meet again, whoever wins the floor will win the game.

Sad to be out, it's been a great couple of years but this whole season needs some context, sat 2nd with 5 to go, QF final defeat to Wigan is fair enough in my book. Plenty left to play for, bring it on.

I don't see that we lack pace at all, in fact I think that's ridiculous. How many broken field tries have we scored this year?

Wigan and Warrington are equal squad wise for me. Proven by our win at the DW in a similar style to theirs yesterday.

I found:

1. Wigan's sliding defence is awesome
2. Solomona still has despite weight and age
3. Blythe isn't a top 4 club centre / player
4. Bridge should never ever play stand off
5. Myler is U.S without a Briers style player next to him
6. Best team won

What we all learned is that wire are not as good as their fans would have you believe, That wigan are a better side and that there are only one champions in this country and it isnt WIRE!!!

Just remind us of your recent record against us when we have managed to field a full team ? You beat us last year in the league at home simply because we lost Monaghan and Briers whilst holding a lead of around 14 pts and being well in control of the game, how would you have got on losing Tomkins and Leuluai yesterday ?

Remind us again of how injury hit saints were when you beat them in the grand final ? Remind us again how injury hit Leeds were when you beat them in the game before that.

Wigan do well against weakened sides, not so good against strong sides as per your record against saints over the years, that only changed once that team dispanded and started to get weaker plus numerous injury problems.

I've learned Wigan are going to win everything now we might aswell all go home... viewtopic.php?f=28&t=487015

I've learned Wigan are going to win everything now we might aswell all go home... viewtopic.php?f=28&t=487015

Well Ive not read it but they have every right to feel cock sure at the moment. It's up to the rest of us to stop them.