reading a topic on the wigan forum, people seemed to want a franchise system and P+R judging by the variety of comments on the topic.

I took it upon myself to produce his masterpiece lol i took a few ideas, added my own and came up with ------------

what if it was 16 team league split into a top and bottom 8 teams where everyone plays each each other twice with MM matches contained within the tiers therefore playing a competing 3 times . top 8 go into plays for the GF and the lower 8 go into a play off to get into the top 8?

not sure how the team to be demoted to the lower 8 would work if there was a play off system, what if the 8th placed club had a really good run in the play offs?

GF at OT and the lower final at bolton, blackburn or leeds.

obviously this could reduce GF sales but the league could do a deal, buy one get one half price kind of thing

not sure if it would work but it could be an idea.

you heard it here first

How about :-
Bottom of Superleague play championship GF winners at champioship side ground IF Championship side has met criteria for superleague

Ok this could mean that say Widnes might have to play in a promotion/relegation battle after 1 season but they would have to prove they have the playing rights for SL over the top championship side.

Now some people might say that this does not give the new SL sides time to plan for the future and to develop like the 3 year deal does. Well maybe they only need to develop enough in year 1 to beat the championship side in the playoff, develop enough in year two not to finish bottom of SL and by the time year 3 is here, if they aint good enough by then....bye bye

I know this is a crazy idea, but:

How about the team that finishes bottom of Super League goes down to the Championship, and the team that wins the Championship playoffs is promoted to Super League?

It's like religion - a fantastic idea but flawed when you pull at the seams even a little bit.

If both divisions were full time, and operating on remotely comparable TV incomes, it would be feasible. However, at present, a crap SuperLeague club pays in the region of 3 times in players salary as a decent Championship club. Most Championship clubs are part time, all SuperLeague clubs are full time. You cannot have businesses of such differing sizes swapping places on a yearly basis. People say franchising is harsh - this would be survival of the fittest at it's most brutal.

Until RL has two divisions in which clubs operate on broadly similar terms, it's a non starter.

What is the difference between the 2 leagues salary cap wise?

Would be a better idea not to give franchises to teams that do not meet the criteria Crusaders and Quimms and Catalans shouldn't be in SL IMO Would rather have Halifax,Wakefield And Leigh

I see your point, but also understand why the league keeps these teams in, to expand the game.

Although, I think it's unfair on Barrow/Cumbrian teams & if a club has been in Administration, surely that can't be a good thing, and it would be unfair on the likes of Halifax, if they are turned down for the likes of Wakefield or Crusaders.

£1.3 million I think.

plus all the off field costs as well,it used to be part of the conditions of being in SL that you needed to appoint a Chief exec to oversee the operation of the club on a day to day basis, i think in part that shows a serious attempt at trying to run a RL club as a full time business, i believe widnes resisted this for the first three years they were in SL, look what happened to them, being run like the local fooking rotary club with small time local businessmen at the helm.

I think its just impossible to expect a part time team/club to make the transition to that sort of expectation in less than 12 months.

Widnes and halifax seem to have been getting their houses in order over the last 3 years and Catalan made a statement of intent with their merger and reorganization pre admission to SL

PS now that, was boring

Crusaders should have proved themseleves first their attendances are disgacefull same as QUIMMS !
crusaders should have met the full criteria before they were admited to SL !
The RFL will never admit they were wrong and expansion only works if their is a supporter base which their isn't in those areas !
As far as Catalans are concerned from my point of view they should set up their own French SL and maybe have a European cup like yawnion if SL and sky are not going to increase the revenue pot then clubs need crowds and Catalan Quimms and Crusaders are the three worst supported teams in SL !
and offer no sign of improvement from a supporter base how long can Quimms survive on their poor support ! or will they just expect another bailout !!!

Quote ="oli30045"What is the difference between the 2 leagues salary cap wise?'" rfllive.dyndns.org/~rflmedia/doc ... 0Guide.pdf SL is £1.65m, C is £300k and C1 is £150k: Quote 3.1.1 A Club must ensure that, at any time during the Salary Cap Year, its Aggregate First Tier Liability does not exceed: (a) for British based clubs, £1,650,000 (One Million Six Hundred and Fifty Thousand Pounds) (or such amount as determined prior to the Salary Cap Year in question by a majority vote of the British clubs), or (b) for clubs based in a country with the Euro as its currency, €2,200,000 (Two Million Two Hundred Thousand Euros) (or such amount as determined prior to the Salary Cap Year in question by the Board of Super League Europe Limited whose decision and brief reasons will be circulated to all Super League clubs).'" Quote The Salary Cap, finite upper limit, for 2011 is £300,000 for the Championship division and £150,000 for Championship One (excluding payments to players detailed under Section 7 – Non-Salary Cap Costs).'"

Quote ="oli30045"What is the difference between the 2 leagues salary cap wise?'" rfllive.dyndns.org/~rflmedia/doc ... 0Guide.pdf SL is £1.65m, C is £300k and C1 is £150k: Quote 3.1.1 A Club must ensure that, at any time during the Salary Cap Year, its Aggregate First Tier Liability does not exceed: (a) for British based clubs, £1,650,000 (One Million Six Hundred and Fifty Thousand Pounds) (or such amount as determined prior to the Salary Cap Year in question by a majority vote of the British clubs), or (b) for clubs based in a country with the Euro as its currency, €2,200,000 (Two Million Two Hundred Thousand Euros) (or such amount as determined prior to the Salary Cap Year in question by the Board of Super League Europe Limited whose decision and brief reasons will be circulated to all Super League clubs).'" Quote The Salary Cap, finite upper limit, for 2011 is £300,000 for the Championship division and £150,000 for Championship One (excluding payments to players detailed under Section 7 – Non-Salary Cap Costs).'"

I think Crusaders probably got there license too soon.

I keep hearing that there is more amateur players in London, then any other part of the UK, why haven't "Quins" tapped into these people who obviously have and interest in our game?!!!

I don't have a problem with Catalans, I always thought there attendences weren't that bad?!!
Would be interested to know how many French players there bringing through tho.

Would be great if we could have a Euro competition within the game, especially with the support going into the Italian game now. Think it's all a pipe dream tho - can't see it ever happening !!!!!

Catalan get good attendances

Away support isn't everything, can't really expect a massive contingent to travel to England every week, the same way most other SL clubs don't exactly take a massive following to France, even though they only go once a year.

This means that Catalans have a bigger salary cap than any other SL club as 2.2m euros is currently the equivalent of £1.96m.

Maybe we could pay our players in Euros from now on.

For me it would be 2 divisions of Superleague, comprising one SL Premier and a SL 1 underneath it, both with 10 teams and a slight lowering of cap and TV money in SL1 compared to Premier. You could also have one P & R place up for grabs each year.

SL Premier - Wire, Wigan, Leeds, Saints, Cas, Hudds, Hull, Hull KR, Bulls and Catalan Dragons

SL1 - Wakey, Salford, Quins, Crusaders, Widnes, Fev, Barrow, Leigh, Fax, Sheffield.

So any championship team could only have a half of Matt King.....

any super league team you mean.

Everyone knows he is on at least 3 mil a year at wire

How are Catalan one of the worst supported teams?..they average over 7000 for home games, better than 3 or 4 teams that I can think of.

here's an idea winners of championship play bottom superleague team to see who stays/ goes up at end of season

Watching Salford v Crusaders, they are making a fantastic advert for cutting the league to 10 teams.

Both sides are rubbish....Time to be really harsh and say goodbye to both, along with 2 others....Send them to a Super League Div II, with the likes of Widnes, Leigh, Barrow, Halifax, etc on a professional basis, and then bring in a 1 up, 1 down system between the 2 pro leagues.

East and West divisions

8 teams in each play 16 games home and away

MM sees west day and east day

Top 4 in each go into playoffs in a 1v4 2v3 system quarter final

Bottom 4 in each division go into a relegation playoff with themselves
So West 5,6,7,8 play each other from same league (not East) in a 5v8 6v7 format
Winner of each of these games stay up both losers go into a relegation game, loser goes down.

Won't happen like but sounds exciting

I like that idea, but 8 team leagues would only be 14 home and away games.

I would take the relegation away from it, and add 8 extra league games - where west plays east teams.
alternate home and away on a yearly basis(i.e: 6 nations style)
So for example, we would play every western team home and away, but would play the likes of Leeds at home 1 year then away the next.

23 league games per season including MM.

Maybe then bring in another competition to make up the games or leave it at 23, as this may benifit the national team?!!! have some international friendlies during the 4 weekends that are free'd up !!

Thats far too complicated?!

Here's an idea 8 teams in west 8 in east
Same format the west play each other twice and east play each other twice top 4 from each then go into a league together and play another 14 games no play offs, winner and 2nd place go into Gf at OT.

Mean while the bottom 4 from each group go into a league again play each other twice top 2 from that play a warm up game at Gf and win a minor cup

29 game regular season(MM), 30 for the Gf teams.

2 games more than a club who finishes outside the playoffs usually get, equals more money.

Add to this sorry, winner of the west and east both get a trophy too midway through season West/East division champs