Where the hell did this ridiculous phrase come from. Serious question btw!

When you win the league you are 'champions' however when you win the cup you are the 'cup holder' or 'cup winner'.

Nobody in the long and great history of the challenge cup including Wigan, Saints, Widnes, Bradford and Leeds etc have ever concocted this BS phrase that you guys are spouting.

Get it right please. You have won the cup and in fact retained it. You are not the Champions of a cup competition. It is the incorrect terminology.

Congratulations btw. Great performance at Wembley but nobody is the 'champion' of a cup competition, they are the winners or holders. Get it right please.

You sound like americans with this made up phrase.

read the main banner at the top of the page moron, thats all you need to know! WE ARE THE 2009 & 2010 CHALLENGE CUP WINNERS! and nor you saints "fans" or any wiganer can take that away from us! FACT!

Perhaps you should read his post first?

He makes a very valid point, its not taking away anything from you winning the CC but pointing out that doesn't make you champions! The Champions are the team which wins the Grand Final.

I do find it cringeworthy to be honest. It was something an emotional Lee Briers said in a tongue tied interview (nothing particularly wrong with that) but it then caught on.

We are not Champions.

I was gonna paste that pic myself.

Shame there are plenty of clowns on here even now typing 'Challenge Cup Champions'. Gazwire being one of them.



It's just a BS made up phrase.

It took you three weeks to post this.

Posted it because some of you guys are still typing it three weeks later!!!! Mostly to console yourselves and make you feel better after that display and last week as well. I can't blame you for that. But you aint the champions of anything. Back to back cup winners yes.

Nothing to get worked up about really and I do agree that we are not champions. The only champions are those who win their respective Grand Finals. In defence the only time I have heard the phrase (apart from RLFans) was following the 2009 CC final, If I remember rightly it may have started on a local commercial radio station or possibly at the home coming parade by an ex DJ of the local radio station.

and perhaps the op should realise that not everyone on this site calls us champions, just a minority! you know like were not allowed to tar you or wigan fans all when we say anything about you!

A champion (identical to the French, from the late Latin campio) is the victor in a challenge, contest or competition.

That's that cleared up. Considering the cup has english, french, welsh, hull and russian teams you could put forward an argument of european champions.




P.S i agree winners sounds more appropriate.

Yeah it must of been playin on his mind,bless..
What Lee Briers said in a emotional interview was ,we are the champions of the challenge cup,i should know ive watched it 87 times..

Haven't you got anything else to worry about?

League Leaders Champions
Challenge Cup Champions
SuperLeague Champions


Call it what you like, but at the end of the day there's only one side who will have champions on their sleeves next season. (Probably Wigan)

if it's good enough for Champion the wonder horse its good enough for me, and I dont think he won any Grand nationals or gold cups

jeepers..theres floods in pakistan,an earthquake in new zealand,we have a visit from some geezer called the pope who spoke about child abuse,soldiers being shot in afghanistan(and some injured or killed),theres a fair old bit of unemployment in this country..and a cretin like you is getting all worked up about us winning the challenge cup and some of the words used to describe it....calm down la calm down..

why do you care so much anyway, our challenge cup win we can call it what we bloody want

or as i would have put it......... DO ONE!

How do you know me exactly? How do you know that I don't know people who have died in the Pakistan floods or in combat in the Middle East?



You sir are the cretin and a crass and insensitive one at that. Any Wolves fan who comes out with the phrase 'Challenge Cup Champions' instead of winners or holders is just displaying their blazing lack of intelligence. It's sounds ridiculous, it is ridiculous and all the Wire fans using the phrase just sound idiotic.

Even some of your own fans think its cringeworthy. I just hope whether you win it again next year, or whoever does, just doesn't carry on using the phrase.

It needs to die a quick death like your campaign to reach Old Trafford and win the league for the 1st time since my dad was a nipper.

why do you get so worked up over a very very very small thing like this...out of all who use the forum you are the only one to get your knickers in a twist over this...you are one sad person..grow up

Why are you so worked up about it? To be that interested and reply in less than 5 minutes flat. Been on the forum all day waiting for me to post?



The phrase just sounds ridiculous as I've said. That is all. If you think it's that insignificant why post back?

why post in the 1st place...its not that important is it...

Championes, Championes , Ole, Ole, Ole…

Why do you make the cringeworthy claim in your signature that Saints are the best rugby league team this country has produced in the modern era? We all know that's not true and we all know who the best rugby league team in the modern era were.

IMO I think the champions are those that finish top of the league after the 27 rounds and have been most consistant although I do like the play offs it is a money making exercise so in my eyes WIgan are this years true champions