Hull winning at saints... imagine the smell

Wonder if that woman with red coat will be arm waving again.

Saints were absolutely dreadful and may well have lost if Brad Dwyer had a modicum of composure.

shame they didn't lose again.. that would have been lovely.

They are tagged as the entertainer's ( god knows who by) but I find them boring to watch...if anyone should be tagged as entertainers then Salford must be a good shout

They are tagged as the entertainer's ( god knows who by) but I find them boring to watch...if anyone should be tagged as entertainers then Salford must be a good shout

Tell me about it!
I bet the half time result as a tie!!

I can understand short kick off from halfway, or from a dropout if trailing with time against you.
That kick screwed me a 10/1 win.

Hmm, our limited success is causing something of a crisis of confidence over on RedVee.

They do genuinely believe there is a conspiracy against them. I fear for their mental health, such a very strange bunch and a different breed.

Only 9000 there to watch the World Champions, bloody refs are knocking 6k off their gates now as well. I expect McManus to sue the RFL.

The most enjoyable thing about the 2 Sky games this week was no Jon Wilkin.

Hilarious

Hmm it’s been revised.

The televised fixture between St Helens and Hull FC on Friday saw a revised attendance of 10,350, with several hundred away fans making the near-250 round trip.

If you look at the sheer volume of decisions that have gone against us in four games, it's hard not to think that. The facts are that Saints humiliated the RFL with the Knowles fiasco last season and it showed how incompetent a ship the RFL run. They are smarting from that and are hammering us. If you think the RFL is too professional for that to happen you need to have a think. Whilst I doubt it's a deliberate campaign, I have no doubt that everyone involved in the disciplinary process hates Saints right now over that as they all had their pants pulled down. If you think referees are above being dishonest I suggest you look at some of the Mark Clattenburg interviews and interviews with former referees in general. They talk openly about wanting certain teams to win games and about hating certain players. Referees and disciplinary committees are people and are open to the same biases, jealousies and hatred as we all are. There isn't a pre-conceived conspiracy, but we're certainly not going to get any favours this season.

My tiny violin tinnitus is back again.....

Just stop it, you're embarrassing yourself.

Although I do concede that there may be MANY reasons why lots of people (RFL included) dislike St Helens RFC and jealousy would only be a small percentage of those. David Edgell in his letter to the RL Express seems to be yet another Saints fan taking 2 losses in his stride - that your real name????

What are Saints going to do when they start winning again? Will it be because all their players are so utterly world class that they're picking up the victories despite the best efforts of the RFL evil empire?

I really think you need to go and lie down in a darkened room*. Your results this season are down to how your team have played. You are noticing poor decisions because for the last few seasons you have had the rub of the green on decisions (I am being neutral there).
*If you think you will get any sympathy on here then a sanatorium may be more appropriate.

Can someone please take his drum away from him

He'll be appearing on GB News with that bearded weapon from Coast and Matt Le Tissier if he carries on.

I'm pretty sure the appointed ref will have his mojo back in time for the upcoming Saints v Wire game .The famous Saints "line speed" will be in evidence with copious forward passes involved & Walmsley will be moving off the mark at every opportunity.

Hang on Walmsley moves off the mark never seen that

Sweet Baby Jesus!

What is it with Saints fans blaming refs for every defeat but their own team’s ability through ailing fitness in depth and poor discipline!? :
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St Helens probably don’t remotely rival the current weight of penalties given by the likes of structured teams like Salford and Huddersfield have been getting.

Wire had the season from hell in 2022, and went through god knows how many injuries and suspensions along the way…I can’t recall any fan of here blaming the referee for it!!

Blimey, Saddened! I don't think the RFL are losing sleep over that fiasco from last year. Times have moved on. You make it sound like every ref has had a memo from upstairs to 'get our own back on Saints', say everyone at the RFL 'hates Saints' but that it isn't deliberate? Paronoia much? You've simply had it far too good for far too long. Every team comes down to earth after a while. I'm sure you'll still be in the mix come October. We're due to knock you out of the playoffs again soon, surely your benevolent and magnanimous chairman can moan about that again next time.

I digress. It not like a Saints fan to think the entire league structure revolves around Saints now, is it? Spare us.

Saints are suffering from a few things here.
A lot of players were involved in the world cup officiated by some NRL officials then spent 2 games down under playing to NRL rules that we know are interpreted differently. So they have had to up their game to that intensity.
Then they come back here after their magnificent achievements and travelling half way round Asia and dare I say it, they have looked a bit heavy legged. A bit tired and a bit slower.
Now playing to different rules at a lower intensity and the ball players are afforded more protection.
From some of the incidents I have seen the players were a split second late and looked like they knew they were going to be late but made the challenge anyway because they were probably frustrated that they were not going to time the challenge right.
The mistake Saints have made is that they should have played a team full of kids against Cas and give everybody a full week off. They were always going to struggle after the trip to Aus. They will still be the team to beat this year but they do need to keep Roby fit because I think they lose their way a bit when he is not playing.

This is like a very messy public breakup isn't it, saints, the superleague referees and the judiciary panel had a very happy best friends since primary school sort of relationship, but saints got abusive, always wanting more and more and now they've gone too far and took the pee put of their mates publicly. It seems that nowadays the officials and disciplinary panel like all the clubs just the same. Saints, in true saints fashion realising the absolute horror of a level playing field, have taken it really, really badly and are making it worse.

Saints will still win the league and lls, possibly the challenge cup too, then the rest of the league get to witness what gracious winners they are as well. I've been mightily impressed recently, saints fans leading the way with a shining example of how to behave when things dont go their way, totally accepting 2 defeats with utmost dignity.