I'd argue that name-wise they're probably synonymous with the game therefore a bigger name. The successful tag is obviously undeniable but sadly it paves the way for mouth breathers like this

I suppose you have a point there. Its basically all their town has,
culture-wise... well, that and the wild pit-bull terrier attack competitions that their town has embraced so well in recent years.

Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"'Far bigger'.... how are you defining that? More successful, no doubt, but bigger?... I'm struggling to see it. You're a small village with a Warrington postcode... I'd personally have Leeds, Hull, and of course Wigan (the only genuinely big British RL club) above you lot in the 'bigger' stakes.'" The ultimate barometer in size is success. And we leave your lot standing in that. Wigan are the biggest club, but we've been Champions 5 times more than Leeds, 10 times more than Hull and 13 times more than you. You've not been Champions since 1955 and have only won it a p*ss poor three times in your mediocre history. It could be argued Widnes are a bigger club than you. At least they can say they've won a World Club Challenge and you don't have to be 75+ to remember them being Champions in this country. You have a bigger population as a town, but we still pull in bigger crowds and take more to away games. You're so 'big' you lurk below Huddersfield on this list. https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/ranking- ... gue-37281/ Must be chilly in Warrington, living in our shadow all these years.

Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"'Far bigger'.... how are you defining that? More successful, no doubt, but bigger?... I'm struggling to see it. You're a small village with a Warrington postcode... I'd personally have Leeds, Hull, and of course Wigan (the only genuinely big British RL club) above you lot in the 'bigger' stakes.'" The ultimate barometer in size is success. And we leave your lot standing in that. Wigan are the biggest club, but we've been Champions 5 times more than Leeds, 10 times more than Hull and 13 times more than you. You've not been Champions since 1955 and have only won it a p*ss poor three times in your mediocre history. It could be argued Widnes are a bigger club than you. At least they can say they've won a World Club Challenge and you don't have to be 75+ to remember them being Champions in this country. You have a bigger population as a town, but we still pull in bigger crowds and take more to away games. You're so 'big' you lurk below Huddersfield on this list. https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/ranking- ... gue-37281/ Must be chilly in Warrington, living in our shadow all these years.

Quote ="RuddyScoosers"The ultimate barometer in size is success. And we leave your lot standing in that. Wigan are the biggest club, but we've been Champions 5 times more than Leeds, 10 times more than Hull and 13 times more than you. You've not been Champions since 1955 and have only won it a p*ss poor three times in your mediocre history. It could be argued Widnes are a bigger club than you. At least they can say they've won a World Club Challenge and you don't have to be 75+ to remember them being Champions in this country. You have a bigger population as a town, but we still pull in bigger crowds and take more to away games. You're so 'big' you lurk below Huddersfield on this list. https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/ranking- ... gue-37281/ Most be chilly in Warrington, living in our shadow all these years.'" So, unless you just wanted to turn this into a dick-measuring contest, why differentiate between bigger and successful, when you openly admit that its one and the same thing? Truth is, you just want to come on and cause an argument with people having a honest debate about RL matters (whichever team that's about is of no concern on an open RL forum as this one is), because you're likely a sad virgin with little else to take up your sad, pathetic life.

Quote ="RuddyScoosers"The ultimate barometer in size is success. And we leave your lot standing in that. Wigan are the biggest club, but we've been Champions 5 times more than Leeds, 10 times more than Hull and 13 times more than you. You've not been Champions since 1955 and have only won it a p*ss poor three times in your mediocre history. It could be argued Widnes are a bigger club than you. At least they can say they've won a World Club Challenge and you don't have to be 75+ to remember them being Champions in this country. You have a bigger population as a town, but we still pull in bigger crowds and take more to away games. You're so 'big' you lurk below Huddersfield on this list. https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/ranking- ... gue-37281/ Most be chilly in Warrington, living in our shadow all these years.'" So, unless you just wanted to turn this into a dick-measuring contest, why differentiate between bigger and successful, when you openly admit that its one and the same thing? Truth is, you just want to come on and cause an argument with people having a honest debate about RL matters (whichever team that's about is of no concern on an open RL forum as this one is), because you're likely a sad virgin with little else to take up your sad, pathetic life.

Another poster for the ignore list, not worth reading that totally irrelevant drivel.

Truth is, you're now completely rattled when some facts come have your way and have resorted to playground insults. Which, to be fair, says a lot about you.

Warrington as a big club a club as St Helens? First thing you should be thinking about is not comparing yourself to us, it's getting up and past the likes of Wakefield, Hull KR and Salford as your so-called 'big' club finished second from bottom and is currently lagging behind even them.

Quote ="Wolf Hall"I have received a number of emails in SPAM from someone addressed as marvin@rlfans.com telling me new postings have been made on this subject. I have deleted them but is this genuine or simply a scam / fishing exercise. I was notified some time ago that my login details were farmed alongside many others, is there a security issue on this site?'" You've accidentally hit the subscribe to topic function, which is on the bottom left of the forum, scroll all the way down and you can unsubscribe it

Quote ="Wolf Hall"I have received a number of emails in SPAM from someone addressed as marvin@rlfans.com telling me new postings have been made on this subject. I have deleted them but is this genuine or simply a scam / fishing exercise. I was notified some time ago that my login details were farmed alongside many others, is there a security issue on this site?'" You've accidentally hit the subscribe to topic function, which is on the bottom left of the forum, scroll all the way down and you can unsubscribe it

Quote ="RuddyScoosers"The ultimate barometer in size is success. And we leave your lot standing in that. Wigan are the biggest club, but we've been Champions 5 times more than Leeds, 10 times more than Hull and 13 times more than you. You've not been Champions since 1955 and have only won it a p*ss poor three times in your mediocre history. It could be argued Widnes are a bigger club than you. At least they can say they've won a World Club Challenge and you don't have to be 75+ to remember them being Champions in this country. You have a bigger population as a town, but we still pull in bigger crowds and take more to away games. You're so 'big' you lurk below Huddersfield on this list. https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/ranking- ... gue-37281/ Most be chilly in Warrington, living in our shadow all these years.'" Think you and your lot are still sulking of us humiliating your so successful team at Wembley..I know cos I hear it at work from your ungrateful mob at work

Quote ="RuddyScoosers"The ultimate barometer in size is success. And we leave your lot standing in that. Wigan are the biggest club, but we've been Champions 5 times more than Leeds, 10 times more than Hull and 13 times more than you. You've not been Champions since 1955 and have only won it a p*ss poor three times in your mediocre history. It could be argued Widnes are a bigger club than you. At least they can say they've won a World Club Challenge and you don't have to be 75+ to remember them being Champions in this country. You have a bigger population as a town, but we still pull in bigger crowds and take more to away games. You're so 'big' you lurk below Huddersfield on this list. https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/ranking- ... gue-37281/ Most be chilly in Warrington, living in our shadow all these years.'" Think you and your lot are still sulking of us humiliating your so successful team at Wembley..I know cos I hear it at work from your ungrateful mob at work

Well since that day we've won three Grand Finals, a Challenge Cup and two League Leaders shields so I suppose it's only right your much smaller club gets a rare day in the sun. I certainly wouldn't swap our haul of honours in that time for yours. The trophy cabinet at the TWS is nearly collapsing under the sheer weight of silverware.

It's a shame. Personally, I quite like when we get interaction on here from fans of opposing sides. Adds a bit of interesting opinion to what can be pretty blinkered debating and, this might not be a universally popular view, I actually like most of the stuff that Saddened and his sort contribute.

However, it often gets ruined when you get sad blokes like this plastic scouser lad, who just wants to turn a perfectly valid and interesting debate into a dick-measuring contest about how great his side are... its like he has zero awareness about the fact that most of us on here are perfectly aware of where we stand in the RL ladder, and that we somehow need a constant reminder of how wonderful a club his side are.

Maybe one day the lad will grow up, find a girlfriend, and realise there's more to life than pointlessly waving his unused member about on RL forum??....

Was that the game where Saints won the trophy as soon as the team bus pulled into Wembley?
I remember it well. Good day, that.

Back to the game...

Reflects the season really. Which is a change for the final as it's usually a much closer affair. Leeds have had the effort but haven't really spent much time on Saints line, except for some poor Saints discipline. It's rare you see so many penalties / 6 agains in a grand final so I'll be interested to see how Moore's count compares to other referees in recent finals.

Highly predictable affair. How have saints been so much stronger, faster and fitter under Woolf? An obvious but genuine question….

It's really strange how the Sky comms actually will Saints to score isn't it

Saints undoubtedly deserved it, both on the day and over the course of the season.

However, my overriding feeling is one of intense relief that this car crash of a season is over. The events on the pitch have drained my love of the club dry and I still need some convincing that better days are ahead.

I'll be honest, I don't mind the same teams winning it as much, I've got a strange desire for us to be the "other team" that win it. As it stands, it's same old. I'd be slightly gutted if Cas or Salford actually did it before us.

Totally agree with this, I'd be gutted if Salford or Huddersfield etc won it before us!

Regarding today, deserving winners again just like they have been for the last 3 seasons. Totally dominant at the moment and very much the best team. I said at the start of the season it's their to lose and I would say next year is too.

Was thinking that last week during the saints Salford game, obvs I wanted Salford to get through but it would have boiled my if they had then beat Leeds.

Fev vs Batley in the Championship semi is a bit more like it - lots of endevaour, plenty of skill and one or two gems waiting to be unearthed.

Fantastic game far better than that yesterday

The NRL final is so much quicker than that of SL. No lying on, no trapping arms or legs, no three man tackles that we have to wait for each individual to peel away and a genuine 10 meters.

AMG and RFL take note, this is what we want to see.

More importantly for me our teams should take note. I don't watch this comp regularly but if this level of intensity is typical then it just makes us look lazy

It is typical, certainly of clashes between the top 10 or so teams. They need to have the intensity in the first half of the season cos they are playing for Origin places. Then in the second half they are playing for the top 8 ( or top 4 preferably). The comps are miles apart.

The wrestlemania culture in our game has stifled the creativity and life out of it, and it's going to make a major shift in mindset and policy to change it. I'm not sure that our coaches, players and referees can all follow the NRL's ethos at play the ball, to improve SL for the better and as a product.

I think we can analyse it until the cows come home, but the simple fact is that our whole game & set-up is just levels lower than their's - it's like comparing Scottish Premier & English Premier football - the investment levels are totally different and because of that you get a completely different level of RL.

Ultimately, you need a owner/franchise revolution in the British game to change things. If every club had a Simon Moran, coupled with a rethinking of the salary cap, then that would be a huge start - Do we have the media interest in us for that to ever happen though?