Well, Mr Cyclops knowing the scoreline with a wry smile I watched the game last night with a fair bit of neutrality and you seem to have omitted quite a lot of foul play by Wire to allow Rat Boy 4 penalty shots at goal.

It will be interesting to see what the 8 eyed disciplinary panel will make of it all I suspect the incidents will be a plenty like pages from "War and Peace".

My final perspective on the criticism of James Child is that he should have called time on the 78 mins, result was decided and no one was interested in playing any further part because of the crowd trouble, he will probably learn from that and will be instructed accordingly.

We will see yes. I wonder which team will end up with the most banned players after that game? I'm confident the 8 eyes will be nearer my views than yours. I'd gladly have a wager with you if you're confident? As for Child blowing early he's not allowed to blow early even if common sense dictates he should.

I would imagine McLlorum and Edwards would cop definite bans of a couple of matches and maybe Hill and Mamo on the wire side with a one match or a conduct caution. I think they will ignore the Philbin Flops and the Patton Clothes Lines because I think Catalan got rewarded with some 2pt penalties from those.

As for the crowd trouble there will be a big question mark over the stewards or lack of, to allow the mob scuffle to escalate, for the Wire fans there were 2 or 3 definitely over aggressive and they should have mug shots of those.

"Warrington fans are thugs"

I challenge anyone to not kick off if you have someone, that someone being ex-wire player Ben Pomeroy, throwing glass bottles into the wire fans. Then all the catalan fans throwing chairs and snapping legs off tables and using them as weapons. Warrington fans are thugs you all say? easy to jump to conclusions when they just show pictures of wire fans climbing into a corporate area. People should research why they were doing so.

Kenny Edwards urging the french fans on to kick it off whilst Hill was asking the Ref to blow up because his family was up in the Box.

Wire fans are thugs? Perhaps we're not angelic but the majority of the blame lands at the feet of the frenchies up in that box and Catalan as a club for not having adaquat stadium security.

And as for the Ref causing all the argo, though he is not responsible for the actions of the crowd, he does have to take some blame. the sheer frustration he caused from his lack of ability to control the game caused the away fans to vent their frustrations at the ref. The catalan fans then were throwing ale into the crowds and laughing. so in essence he does have a part to play.

Straight after the first fight he should have come down hard on any infringement and stamped his authority. but in the following sets after there were high shots, flops, knees in the tackle, wrestling in the ruck and he just let it slide. It's almost as though he thought "Oh, Hicks let the game flow in the semi-final and it made the game better... I think i'm going to do the same" the man is a complete embarressment to the RFL officials and has been for close to 10 years. How he is still employed as a full time Ref is beyond me.

If thats not warrington playing, then its a regular saturday night where everyone on forums and social media are complaining about catalans standard tactics and incompetant reffing. As most friday nights are.

Ben Pomeroy was throwing glass bottles at the Warrington fans? Is this actually true? If so, was it bottles, or just the one? Was this an isolated incident blown up massively by the heat and the alcohol? Why was he throwing bottles at fans of his former club? I'm confused.



I thought you said it was Ben Pomeroy's fault? Now it's all the French people? Some pretty big jingosim on show there and some big accusations. I wasn't there so can't comment on how it started, but it's perfectly clear from the videos people are sharing that there was no ongoing use of objects by those in the box, in fact there is no evidence of it at all.

Child should of blown for full time.on the TV it shows over 80 minutes played he awards us the penalty and ratchford just boots the ball out..then he blew up for ft...daft if you ask me..as for mcloride Edwards hill mamo (udder man)don't forget Fatboy he should cop a ban or 2 but we all remember last years gf when he should of been sent off...

Not really sure why Hill would cop a ban. He just mouthed off a bit because his family may have been caught up in the violence in the stands. Maybe a caution for swearing but then all the players every game would get one for that.

I'd imagine Casty will be quite nervous today. Could be looking at a significant ban for his involvement in the final brawl, along with Tomkins.

Possibly, on the plus side, he (Casty) did seem to be the one to get Kenny Edwards under control (eventually).

Again... I'd just leave, as quite a few Warrington fans did. Why are people acting like Warrington fans had no choice but to climb into the corporate box?

Also, if there was no crowd trouble, no one would be talking about the crowd trouble.

Gobsmacked at how bad that Mcilorum knee is on Clark. Absolute thuggery. He's lucky it was Clark and not someone smaller like Patton, they could have been knocked unconscious or even worse. If you did that to someone in the street after a night out you'd be in jail for assault. How did Child's miss it for a start and then how did the video ref not go back and tell him. Absolutely disgraceful.

The disciplinary will create a situation where the punishment is 50-50 they will not pull the players that need pulling over the coals, as ever they will lack direction and the bottle to sort out those that need sorting.

I'm not talking about the trouble in the stands, which is disgraceful on all parts involved, i'm talking about what went on in the game on the pitch.

So you think people are only blaming both parties for the fight on the pitch just because its Warrington? They gave away 7 penalties for high tackles inside of an hour. Both sides were as ill disciplined as each other.

James child gave a lot of penalties against us for high tackles, some were soft, some were justified, and whilst we did lose our cool , it was down to him letting catalans get away with quite a lot, which is a regular occurence, and as i've mentioned for years now, dragons home games have resulted in specators (usually neutral) complaining about their house tactics and whichever headcase they currently have on roster, which is currently edwards, gigot bird and the ex wigan contingent, and previously dave taylor, brent webb and Olivier elima.

Case in point for saturday, greg bird after getting the 2 soft penalties from patton's 'high' tackles, just let go of the ball in front of the touch judge in a tackle, which was adjudged to be a strip, he was laughing at how it was going.

Both sides were ill disciplined, only one side got penalised for it, then it went daft.

The tip tackles

The several early attempted and connected swingers

the tackle where austin got injured with a player dropping on his legs in the tackle, the knee in the head austin copped.

chris hill's headguard getting removed ,magically.

The knee in d clarks face

The cannonball to j clark

Edwards kneeling on matt davis face which had a haematoma on it after he had been tackled high.

and throw in tomkins, gigot and bird all chunnering at him for a good 5 minutes after he gave a weird penalty for obstruction against them, they're not captain so why is he allowing it?

Now you can retort with the stuff that we got penalised for, and theres the difference, we got penalised.

You didnt get penalised when the touch judge told the referee that mamo started a second scuffle by running in after McIllorum got a yellow for nudging a warrington player. Lineham didnt get penalised for jumping into the scuffle at the end and punching anyone he could see.

Gigot was penalised more than once for dissent. Tomkins was penalised for dissent.

The tip tackle was penalised. Chris hills headguard being removed was gamesmanship. That's never been a penalty and never will be. All he had to do was go pick it up. No worse than the fax player untying the saints players shoes last week

The knee to the head Austin got was accidental, tomkins was coming across covering. Didnt see the other player cannonball, was watching the head. Probably should have been a penalty for contact with the head mind, but isnt given in a lot of cases.

The knee to Clark's head i watched a few times. Still 50/50 as to whether it was on purpose. Mcilorum was moving into acting half, and Clark was in the way. He wasnt looking at Clark, he was looking into front of him. Its unusual not to look down at the ptb though so I think he knew what he was doing. Clark certainly got up fast enough once play was stopped and he wasnt getting a penalty.

Edwards is a tool, I have no argument for that one.

Not looking to argue btw, just saying what I see. I dont have many rl fans to discuss things with so I come on here

If you come out of a tackle with someone's headguard in your hand, I'd like to know how it cannot be given as a high tackle.

Tackle the chest/shoulder/anywhere, then while in the tackle get hold of the headguard and take it off? lots of tackles then end up with hands in faces/over the head arent high tackles

i've watched chris hill play for 7 years, his headguard has never come off, and it used to be an automatic penalty for removing an oppositions headguard, contrary conduct.

Yes, there is video evidence.



Why does it matter how many? he still threw a glass bottle into the fans.



probably due to the fact wire fans were taking exception to being abused and being spat on as some accounts have re-called. and an altercation had broke out because of it.



I don't believe I actually said that it was all Pomeroy's fault. Just that I'd challenge anyone not to kick off if that was happening. It's a major factor.



Yes there is. It's on video. French "VIP's" in the box using chairs as wepons and them being thrown. Just be cause you haven't seen it does not mean it's not there.

If you're referring to the Blake Austin spear tackle - it wasn't penalised (Child admitted he didn't see it - how you can't see a player with the ball being tackled i'll never know). Why on earth are you saying Lineham should be penalised in that brawl at the end for running in and punching??? Do you remember how that brawl started? Lineham may get retrospective punishment if he was doing what you suggest but he was hardly going to be the player penalised from that incident was he? It's madness that Warrington are being accused of being blindly biased when there is this utter nonsense from opposition fans.

I actually didn't know that. Fair point.

By penalised i meant he didnt get any sort of card when he should have done, my poor wording there, apologies.