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| Quote ="Pieman"Minimal but still contact'"
So you can trip someone over as long as you touch them with your hand?
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"So you can trip someone over as long as you touch them with your hand?
Sound.'"
I think that is was deemed a 'Cumberland throw' where it is legal to trip a player with your leg so long as you have one hand on them.
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| contact with the head, ten minutes, high tackles get given that now, this was less than accidental.
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| The following players have been issued with the listed charges from match review panel;
Thomas Leuluai (Wigan) - Grade B Dangerous Contact (1 Match Penalty Notice)
Sam Tomkins (Wigan) - Grade B Strikes with knee (1 Match Penalty Notice)
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| Quote ="Wires71"I think that is was deemed a 'Cumberland throw' where it is legal to trip a player with your leg so long as you have one hand on them.'"
I don't recall tripping ever being legal in SL?
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| Even the Cumberland throw is now outlawed so should have been a yellow. A few players have actually been banned for these type tackles this season. Richie Myler might be one if my memory serves me correctly.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"I don't recall tripping ever being legal in SL?'"
Current RLF rules.
Foul “throws” 1. (a) A tackler must not make use of any special “holds” or “throws” which are likely to cause injury or use his knees in the tackle. It is permissible for a tackler to bring a player in possession of the ball to the ground by pulling him over the outstretched leg provided he is holding the player with both arms before there is any contact with
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I didn't see the incident in any case.
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| In the dim & distant tripping was a straight red , it was deemed such bad practice.
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| Quote ="Wires71"It is permissible for a tackler to bring a player in possession of the ball to the ground by pulling him over the outstretched leg provided he is holding the player with both arms before there is any contact with
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I didn't see the incident in any case.'"
I always understood a Cumberland Throw to be a way of bringing down a [istanding[/i player though, not to trip up a [irunning[/i player. Tripping is clearly dangerous.
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| Quote ="easyWire"I always understood a Cumberland Throw to be a way of bringing down a [istanding[/i player though, not to trip up a [irunning[/i player. Tripping is clearly dangerous.'"
It was Tommy Martyn (Snr) go to tackle, usually one handed and very finely judged to avoid being a trip. I think that is why they introduced the requirement to have hold with TWO hands.
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| Presumably if an offence warrants a 1 match ban it deserved a red card in the match? 2 players down...
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"Presumably if an offence warrants a 1 match ban it deserved a red card in the match? 2 players down...'"
In Grand Finals refs tend to try to keep players on the field and leave the disciplinary committee to sort out offences later. In the 2013 final, Ben Westwood punched Blake Green in the face, the ref sensibly just had a quiet word and told Green to stop scriking and man up, which to his credit he did with a man of the match performance, and Westwood was given a one match ban after. The way some of the do gooders go on Westwood should have been sent off.
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| If Charnley had been binned we could have reason to be agreaved. But he wasn't, I'm. Also under no. Illusion they're even similar but if a refs to make an on the spot decision he could have binned Charnley.
Refs will always be hesitant to send someone off or to the bin in a final. Probably make no difference we can say they may have tired, I think it would have spurred them on further they've a shown a desire to win at any cost and when it comes to digging deep they seem to dig deeper.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"In Grand Finals refs tend to try to keep players on the field and leave the disciplinary committee to sort out offences later. In the 2013 final, Ben Westwood punched Blake Green in the face, the ref sensibly just had a quiet word and told Green to stop scriking and man up, which to his credit he did with a man of the match performance, and Westwood was given a one match ban after. The way some of the do gooders go on Westwood should have been sent off.'"
Spot on Westwood should of gone but so should those 2...whats the point of banning them all they'll miss is a pointless international game or pre season run about...you can't have 2 sets of rules just because it's a final
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| Quote ="sir adrian morley"Spot on Westwood should of gone but so should those 2...whats the point of banning them all they'll miss is a pointless international game or pre season run about...you can't have 2 sets of rules just because it's a final'"
charnley should have 2 aswell as Linehams elbow on Manfredi? no?
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| Quote ="Pieman"charnley should have 2 aswell as Linehams elbow on Manfredi? no?'"
Should he????I'm sure the rfl would have had them had it been a worthwhile ban......
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| yeah cos they are consistant .....
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| Quote ="Pieman"yeah cos they are consistant .....'"
No they're two completely different incidents Charnley did not slide in knee first....
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| Quote ="Pieman"charnley should have 2 aswell as Linehams elbow on Manfredi? no?'"
Pieman, pieman, pieman... Don't you realise that only other teams are guilty of foul play and that the very same disciplinary whose consistency they've complained about all year is now the yardstick by which even handedness is measured? Get with the program man!
What do you mean look who's heads were split open, stitched and bandaged? That's irrelevant. The disciplinary said it was from fair challenges and that should be an end to it! Elbows? Knees? It simply couldn't have been...
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"Pieman, pieman, pieman... Don't you realise that only other teams are guilty of foul play and that the very same disciplinary whose consistency they've complained about all year is now the yardstick by which even handedness is measured? Get with the program man!
What do you mean look who's heads were split open, stitched and bandaged? That's irrelevant. The disciplinary said it was from fair challenges and that should be an end to it! Elbows? Knees? It simply couldn't have been...'"
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| Has anyone got the clips of Tomkins x2, Leuluai x1 and Charnley x1. I’m not sure what the incident regarding Leuluai was.
Still waiting to hear what went on in the tunnel (near me they were shouting Escare had started something, but not sure how reliable they were as didn’t seem to have ever watched a game before [although they may well have been to numerous matches).
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| That Escare looks a right niggly git.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"Has anyone got the clips of Tomkins x2, Leuluai x1 and Charnley x1. I’m not sure what the incident regarding Leuluai was.
Still waiting to hear what went on in the tunnel (near me they were shouting Escare had started something, but not sure how reliable they were as didn’t seem to have ever watched a game before [although they may well have been to numerous matches).'"
he was clapping the wire fans for throwing bottles at them, then wore players started pushing him and navarette run over to defend him
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| Sam is a sneaky so and so. We've seen the film of him at the bar with Joel. Full on gobby till he sees the camera.
On Saturday the trip on Goodwin was a trip. Contact with his leg before any attempt with his arms. Sky TV were there, if you've taped it, take a look. Use pause.
He hit Clark with his knee when he clearly could have avoided it. It was a cheap shot and disgusting.
If you play the Charnley 'knee' incident slowly, three things become apparent. 1. Escare (aka rat garcon nouveau) slides into Charnley 2. who isn't moving - his leg remains in the same position throughout- and 3. Escare strikes a glancing blow halfway between knee and foot (this explains why Charnley hasn't received a ban - it was nothing like equal to Tomkins on Clark)
Hicks bottled it pure and simple.
Samkins will no doubt be a flop in France as he was in NZ. After this payday he'll return with his long pink tail between his legs to the piedome to coach the 'Wigin way'.
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| What I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned too is the cheeky hand in the face Tomkins gave to Charnley, after touching down for his try.
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