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| I think Ben J is exactly the sort of player we should keep on and develop. He may (or may not) develop into a world beater, but in a salary capped sport you need players who put a shift in and don't break the bank. Purely in terms of enthusiasm he showed up more senior players last year.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"I think Ben J is exactly the sort of player we should keep on and develop. He may (or may not) develop into a world beater, but in a salary capped sport you need players who put a shift in and don't break the bank. Purely in terms of enthusiasm he showed up more senior players last year.'"
+1 for me here. We perhaps need to create a new starting 13 almost, but with the number of players leaving, we need good squad players. That said, if he has the chance for regular game time in home country, can't blame him.
Would hope he may return.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"He did...so did the pack around him, don't you agree?'"
Im a bit baffled as to why you Continue to bang on about the pack being the cause of everything bad about wire last year.
Yes the pack weren't fabulous our interchanges often performed well below expectations, but how that affects wingers being woeful in defence, being unable to do the basics like catch draw and pass, or our halfbacks being unable to create tries after three repeat sets on the opposition line..?
It was a general poor effort from all players and those players of limited ability were highlighted and for me Hughes was one of those. he's as ordinary as ordinary can be .....What's his particular skill
Currie has pace
Westwood has mongrel and desire for hard work
Westerman was a decent ball player
Julien had effort enthusiasm and an occasional big hit.
Jack Hughes just played every game (or it felt like it at least).....!!!!
He even played . ..was very ordinary against lower league opposition and still got praised by the coach...
He should find himself on the edges of our team not a central figure.
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"Im a bit baffled as to why you Continue to bang on about the pack being the cause of everything bad about wire last year.
Yes the pack weren't fabulous our interchanges often performed well below expectations, but how that affects wingers being woeful in defence, centres being unable to do the basics like catch draw and pass, or our halfbacks being unable to create tries after three repeat sets on the opposition line..?
It was a general poor effort from all players and those players of limited ability were highlighted and for me Hughes was one of those. he's as ordinary as ordinary can be .....What's his particular skill
Currie has pace
Westwood has mongrel and desire for hard work
Westerman was a decent ball player
Julien had effort enthusiasm and an occasional big hit.
Jack Hughes just played every game (or it felt like it at least).....!!!!
He even played Centre. ..was very ordinary against lower league opposition and still got praised by the coach...
He should find himself on the edges of our team not a central figure.'"
I have to agree TFB Hughes looked solid/dependable when he first arrived and his form, maybe a confidence thing, declined to the point last year where he should have been unplayable and not in a good way. I don't think he was outstanding in defence and he ran some awful lines in attack predictable stuttering the cut inside and for me was part of Brown's problem, more cause than effect.
A clean slate for all next year, but, out of the two if one has to go then I'd have kept Jullien he has potential and I think that Hughes' first season was as good as it gets.
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| Quote ="Uncle Rico"
A clean slate for all next year, but, out of the two if one has to go then I'd have kept Jullien he has potential and I think that Hughes' first season was as good as it gets.'"
Exactly, a loan out to Rochadale for Hughes where he can hopefully discover how to be a Top 4 Super League Second Rower.
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit":25xp63oyIm a bit baffled as to why you Continue to bang on about the pack being the cause of everything bad about wire last year.
Yes the pack weren't fabulous our interchanges often performed well below expectations, but how that affects wingers being woeful in defence, centres being unable to do the basics like catch draw and pass, or our halfbacks being unable to create tries after three repeat sets on the opposition line..?
It was a general poor effort from all players and those players of limited ability were highlighted and for me Hughes was one of those. he's as ordinary as ordinary can be .....What's his particular skill
Currie has pace
Westwood has mongrel and desire for hard work
Westerman was a decent ball player
Julien had effort enthusiasm and an occasional big hit.
Jack Hughes just played every game (or it felt like it at least).....!!!!
He even played Centre. ..was very ordinary against lower league opposition and still got praised by the coach...
He should find himself on the edges of our team not a central figure.'" .
I don't except your point that you make out and I'll defend mine.
I'll recap...
Hughes came here and was much better than Westerman to my surprise...his form was solid enough throughout 2016, we even made 2 finals and as lls, he was enjoying his time and even help persuade Crosby to leave the Pies.
...in 2017 we had the poorest pack some circumstance and much of it injury plus a lack of vision from TS to recruit.
Imo...Hughes has suffered more and come in for more stick than anyone because he simply was ever present, he couldn't hide behind injury.
TS had him constantly shifting positions and playing above his weight...this being the main reason we see error after error.
Forwards make errors when they fatigue, Hughes has more reason to fatigue and error above any forward throughout 2017.
It simply isn't fare to ignore everything about and around 2017 and label Hughes as anything less than what he was in 2016.
You don't have to give the lads a break Biscuit, but it'll do your ticker a world of good if you did.
Hughes will get 100% support from me as will Brown under Price...
I still say Brown will be in the running for mos in 2018.
I underlined everything the minute TS went public about him going.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"
You don't have to give the lads a break Biscuit, but it'll do your ticker a world of good if you did.
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Engaging in a debate with you Is like playing chess with a pigeon. ....even when they lose they'll on the board and strut around like they've won. ....
I'm hardly having having a pop at players left right and centre. ...
I don't think Hughes is good enough. It's a simple enough statement.
All last season while Sims was trying his hardest to drag people along to his standard of work ethic you still had the front to single him out nearly every week as being powder puff etc.. oh and cooper and Hill Atkins. ..was he one as well
Last season I stuck to pretty much one train of thought that was "Smith out" .....right from the start.. ( though I did occasionally jump on the matty Russell is hopeless train also).
Meanwhile you thought we'd win a treble and sign all sorts of mind blowing players.
I do like the fact you blindly stick to your incorrect statements. No doubt Kevin brown will win a mom against widnes next year but he was an emergency stop gap Signing by the worst recruiter this club has had. He is not man of steel material and if he gets near it what a sorry state the league will be in.
I hope Patton gets the nod over him
If that's me not giving players a break then you are too precious for words. ...
Ive bought a season ticket. ...early bird and all that. I'm giving them money as well as a break. ...
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| Quote ="moving on..."www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sport/wolves/15620922.Wolves_quintet_staying_put_after_contract_options_are_activated/
Do you get you intel from the same place as Rubber Duckie?'"
Rubber Duckie....didn't give that info... so I'll make it simple so you can take it in...No.
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| Quote ="Paul2812"Ben Julienne has signed for Catalan.'"
How about that hypocrisy had just gone off the scale.
Lol. Made my day.
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| Quote ="moving on..."www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sport/wolves/15620922.Wolves_quintet_staying_put_after_contract_options_are_activated/
Do you get you intel from the same place as Rubber Duckie?'"
Lol, no. There's more to this story. I'm sure it will all come out in the wash.
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| I've said it before but I'm firmly in the new regime clean slate camp.
My particular tuppence on Hughes is that he's a young guy that arrived at 23, having been previously loaned out by his parent club. He joined at a time when there was some bad dressing room juju, and things weren't all that great behind the scenes.
While elder players like Sims and Gidley can come into that environment and deal with it, you can't expect Hughes to do the same.
Couple that with practically the whole team being a stinking letdown last year, Hughes was obviously playing with zero confidence.
I'm excited to see how players like him, Lineham, Russel, Brown (yes not the future but still far better than he let on last season) and even Clark go under this new era, as these were all players signed during the latter embers of the Smith era, when things were never quite all there with us. Clark particularly, as we signed him at the beginning of our transition/slide, as the most exciting young British hooker, reigning MOS, and named in the 4 nations team of the tournament. That is unfortunately his pinnacle as things stand.
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| Quote ="moving on..."www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sport/wolves/15620922.Wolves_quintet_staying_put_after_contract_options_are_activated/
Do you get you intel from the same place as Rubber Duckie?'"
FINALLY been announced by the club. Not sure why they claimed he was staying when he gained a release weeks ago ? Maybe they now have a successor lined up ?
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| Quote ="Paul2812"FINALLY been announced by the club. Not sure why they claimed he was staying when he gained a release weeks ago ? Maybe they now have a successor lined up ?'"
Maybe its to free up some cap space!
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| Doubt it’ll free up cap space as wasn’t he on a very low initial wage like the promoted academy lot? At least he gets himself a proper deal in his home country. No big loss, had potential but we can do better as well.
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| I am losing track of who is signed up and who has left but by my reckoning we have a pool of 24/25 players (excluding Pomeroy, Moran, Prell ). Three of those are fringe players (Johnson, Livett, Smith) so for me we are very light on numbers, particularly when you look at the injury lists we have been sustaining in recent years. A quick scan of 2017 looks to show around 7-9 injured players per week.
We need several more signings.
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| Quote ="moving on..."Personally I like him. But it looks like Price wants a heavy, ruthless, mobile set of forwards.
Hill
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<Interchange Hooker> Smith?
Akualoa
Crosby
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Westwood
That's a very big pack and a pretty sizeable bench. I suspect Price will want to have his forward running through brick walls & BMM will certainly show them how to run with aggression.'"
I don’t think Hughes will be getting a look-in unless he drastically improves out of nowhere.
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| Where does Harvey fit in?
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| Quote ="moving on..."www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sport/wolves/15620922.Wolves_quintet_staying_put_after_contract_options_are_activated/
Do you get you intel from the same place as Rubber Duckie?'"
You can't believe the newspapers.
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| He tried hard but was hampered by not a lot of pace or size. Wish him well, I won't lose any sleep.
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| Quote ="Psychedelic Casual"I don’t think Hughes will be getting a look-in unless he drastically improves out of nowhere.'"
His "undroppable" status may well be tested under Price.
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| Quote ="Builth Wells Wire"Where does Harvey fit in?'"
Loose forward would be a good option for me.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"How about that hypocrisy had just gone off the scale.
Lol. Made my day.'"
Does anyone know where RD has gone ? He seems to have gone missing.
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We need several more signings.'"
Stefan Ratchford
Tom Lineham
Ryan Atkins
Matty Russell
Kevin Brown
Chris Hill (c)
Daryl Clark
Ben Currie
Jack Hughes
Mike Cooper
George King
Dominic Crosby
Toby King
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Joe Philbin
Morgan Smith
Harvey Livett
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Stefan Ratchford
Tom Lineham
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Chris Hill (c)
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Ben Currie
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Mike Cooper
George King
Dominic Crosby
Toby King
Declan Patton
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Mitch Brown
Think that's everyone. 23 I make it.'"
Jack Johnson, Taylor Prell and Pat Moran I assume will still be here given they were contracted to 2018 / 2019 and I haven't heard about them leaving.
I make it 26 players, with discussions around a new hooker, and presumably Jullien's back row spot which would take us up to 28, which I think fits in with an interview Price did when he came over?
So in terms of squad cover:
Full Back: Mitch Brown / Johnson
Wing: Brown / Prell / Johnson
Centre: T King / Brown / Livett
Halves: Patton / Livett / Smith
Prop: Westwood / Philbin / G King / Moran
Back Row: Westwood / Livett / G King
Hooker: ???? / Smith
Livett & Brown seem to feature in that list quite a lot, which is worrying if we pick up injuries to either.
From the new salary cap rules any player under 21 and outside the clubs top 25 earning players isn't counted on the cap - I'd like to see us invest here in some good 18 - 20 year olds to provide cover and to play in the reserves - If indeed we have one next year...
Anyone in the youth teams ready to do a Livett and step up this year?
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