Wow. Just, wow.

I would argue that Hock has channelled his aggression well this year. He was bound to be targeted by teams trying to wind him up and I've lost count of the number of times the Hock of several years ago would start throwing punches or done something equally as stupid.

This season he's missed just two games after picking up the ban against Saints and that was for throwing a few punches in a derby game (which should be mandatory).

A bit of handbags with Westwood is no worry at all. What's impressed me is that in two big games that the team has been pretty appalling Hock has actually played well. Against Leeds he was one of the few good players in the Wigan team and it was the same yesterday. He was guilty of a mis-read for one of the tries but that can happen with him. It's no worse than Westwood's poor defence when Hock scored his try and that didn't sully Westwood's excellent performance.

On balance they are both the two best back row forwards in the competition.

Not alot there I could disagree with really. Chris Hill is looking more and more like a top class prop every time I see him. I think Gareth Widdop would have to be in there instead of Maguire though and possibly Ratchford over Burrow for utility value on the bench.

by hock's standards, he had a game yesterday, i can't recall him getting a single offload away.

We completely nullified his effect.

Hock is world class his running is devasting and he has a nice off load,would like to see him at Wire.Him and Westwood would be awesome.

dont need him, we've got waterhouse, who's coming into his own now.

Your assumption could be wrong; maybe the post was change for the sake of clarification. Just a though, so no need to get nasty.

Exactly, I edited my post for clarification.

I am still left wondering why somebody who doesn't know who I am, has never seen me and knows nothing about me would come to the conclusion that I am a horrible person.

You are not a horrible person, you are a horrible giraffe.

Alright, calm down now girls, lets move on.

Tomkins
Hall
Reed
Atkins
Briscoe
Widdop
Lomax
Graham
Roby
Burgess
Westwood
Hock
O'loughlian

Burrow
Hill
Luke Burgess
Ellis

Westwood has always outplayed Ellis in an England jersey in my opinion and Hock is just the kind of player that could really get under the aussie's skin. danny brough should be nowhere near an england team!! atkins just edges watkins at the moment but give him time and watkins will be awesome should he stay fit!!

I’m sure you’re not, some people on here wright things just to offend others; it should be water off a duck’s back. Just make your point and move on, they will. Good luck!

I spoke to him in Perpignan last year and he asked me what time our game kicked off! Thoroughly nice guy, stayed around for ages while fans had their picture taken with him. Horrible on the field, gent off it.

Truce.



Perhaps I over reacted, but perhaps you don’t understand just how highly SB* is regarded by those that are ‘Wire’. You’re lucky I’m not a mod. I’d have banned you if even one of your words, syllables, or phonemes cast any aspersions as to his character

*SB = Super Ben

It goes something like this;
Super, Super Ben
Super, Super Ben
Super, super Ben
Super Benny Westwood.

he's big, he's round.
he's just sniffed half a pound,
gaz hock, gaz hock!


doesn't roll of the tongue as well does it?

Good one! Nice to see you both back on track, we all get carried away with our support for our clubs at times, and a bit of biased banter is fine and can be fun, I’m guilty of that, but some people go way too far and can get nasty, ok fine, give tit for tat but I don’t think that’s what the sites are really for. so again nice one Sir.

When Hock came back from the ban i thought he'd be worse for it, before the ban he was brilliant at taking the line on and quick.
He came back looked bigger but lost a little pace but i'll be honest was surprised to see him actually play better than before the ban, the guy is a hot head, in fact it's the only thing that lets him down. I'd have him at Wire in a heart beat, just iron out the idiotic side of him and let him know he doesn't need to show that side of and just let his talent do the talking.

please, bit less subtle next time

The thing Hock needs to work on most IMO is knowing when the right time to offload is. A lot of the time he's just throwing the ball out to players who aren't prepared for it, or straight onto the floor. It's alright against inferior teams such as Castleford, Wakefield, St Helens, etc, because we can neutralise an attack they try or quickly sort ourselves out. Against yourselves and Australia however, it's got the potential to kill us.

I think if you try to control Hock too much you can take away what makes him so effective. Some say he doesn't know when not to offload but it could also be said that the players around him fail to realise exactly when he's capable of offloading. There are quite a few times when players just aren't looking for the offload and are taken by surprise.

Both Hock and Westwood are probably the best back row forwards in Super League. Hock at his best probably has a little bit more in attack but Westwood tends to be better defensively and is a little more consistent.

Another promising thing is that even though both players are now heading into their 30's both teams appear to have ready made replacements coming through, with Jack Hughes looking likely to take the left second row place at Wigan and Ben Currie at Wire, who I will grudgingly admit is the better of the two and potentially a new Gareth Ellis or possibly even better.

Looks like the RFL agree that Hock is not a bad lad: www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3942

Looks like the RFL agree that Hock is not a bad lad: www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3942

"yourselves and Australia" Blimey

I also like the cheeky dig at Saints