Moz was poor high tackle just after kick off. Then again when he came back on in second half. Very poor discipline from the infamous leader?!?!?

Hodgson being very shaky in defence when one on one may be an understatement. But he still has a lot to offer.

I thought micky higham did very well and is definately in good form at the minute

Briers again seemed to be the only one of the older generation really trying.

However, the squad getting back to basics took a step forward, i know the penalty count was ridiculous again but imagine if we were tryin the solomona esque pass on every tackle like recent weeks!!!

It was 18 degrees.

It wasnt the best but I've seen that happen to Sam Tomkins this season and he's the best fullback ever to lace boots.

(and he's only 12 years of age).

unfunny......absolutely repetative.....and repeatedly unfunny...... and not bitter much at our "success".....

I assume Success is in speech marks because challenge cups winners back to back followed up by finishing league leaders is the mark of rank average teams in your book.....


octogenarians.................loving hell how many times can you put that in a post on this board aimed at Wire players ages before you think your a knob......

between 80 and 89 no doubt

worse troll ever.........and from Wigan thats some fecking award

You lost to an inform saints team and away at catalan, hardly a crisis in my opinion. As you know from last year the league is just a qualifying system for the playoffs. Its a more competitive league this year with 7 teams in with a shot of winning the GF.

Would that be the same leeds team that won the Grand Final reached the Challenge Cup Final? Hardly a team cruising along living on past glories in my opinion.

Looks like Sal has hooked another one...

Far be it for me to bring it back to a logical debate, but does anyone have (its a long shot) actual average ages of the teams from this weekend/super league? I know Wire have some old stagers like Morley/Briers/Hodgson, but then surely there are a lot of younger players too like yours Atkins, Myler, Dwyer, Hill, and co of the world?

I dont think age is neccessarily the reason you lost, more the fact that the game plan seemed to go out of the window and that caused frustration. Catalans is no easy place to go.

2010 Grand final Winners
2010 League leaders shield winners
2011 Challenge cup winners

Yeah, I wish we was Wire.

I'm so glad I didn't go to school in wigan.

I wish I'd gone to school in Wigan.

Ahh, snap.

Sorry, its all that celebrating over the weekend

Edited just for you Mr Perfect

I'm really glad I didn't go to school in Wigan.

The subjunctive - look it up.

That's not the post I edited, please read this page of the thread again. Ta

Pack it in folks and get back on topic

21-12 should certainly pack it in, he makes himself look more stupid with every post. In a way that's quite astonishing considering I already thought he was pretty thick.

Right, finished now, promise.

You honestly remind me of us (Leeds) at the start of last year, trying to play expansive rugby when really it just needs driven up the middle. Playing a quick offloading game is great providing your team is all in form and linking well together, but if a few key players are missing and out of form, it looks diabolical. It should rest with the coach to change the style of play to suit how the team is playing, and like what we needed to do we had to go back to basics and build up into acceptable form before throwing the ball about. The errors and discipline is almost exactly like we were.

There is still plenty time to get back on track, it's been said countless times but look at us last season it worked out well in the end. But a word of caution, plenty fans seem to be under the belief what we did last season could become a common occurrence and that any team in the top 4 could do the same thing, I'm really not convinced by this. We were blessed by the fact we had players who had been there and done that in most positions, who knew how to play play-off footy. I honestly can't see really any other teams with this experience to pull of what we did. And to give balance I wouldn't be confident we could do it again this season should we finish as low as fifth. Last year was a freak occurrence which IMO could only have happened to a team as experienced as us in that position.

how were you defending in the early part of the season though?

In terms of points conceded, they conceded 290 in their first 11 games, and we have conceded 232 after 11, so worse than us.

Philclarketastic.

Very poorly, see the game against you at Headingly . In the first 12 games last season I think we only twice kept a team under 15 points.

Edit: see Ollie's post above

In the immortal words from Dad's Army (how very apt)....

DON'T PANIC!

I don't really get why Leeds being at the start of last year means that we're going to win the Grand Final, as some people on here seem to think. I do think we will get better though, we can't get much worse (hopefully).

Not heard that about Saints but it wouldn't surprise me. I don't hold any hope of seeing him back in the P&B. Warrington really did do the dirty on him.=#BFBFBFŠ

care to elaborate slightly?