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| No smart ar*e reply?
My work here is done then.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"No smart ar*e reply?
My work here is done then.'"
Isn't it true that Wire have the most players over the age of 30 in superleague? Over twice the number that Wigan have. In fact only Leeds come close with eight.
And add to that they have one of the least number of home grown players.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Quote ="21-12"If you would actually look into why we have signed Gelling, he was recommended to Wigan by both Dean Bell and Kevin Iro and Wigan had been watching him for quite a while. Signing a 31 year old Aussie stinks of desperation, and proves to me that Tony Smith is not looking to the future, but has ben told by your board to win Super League NOW as your ageing squad is, well......getting older.'"
So a 23 year old Hill and 23 year old Ratchford as well as signing a 19 year old scrum half at the time says what?'" You struggle to produce young talented player's so you have to buy in other teams?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Isn't it true that Wire have the most players over the age of 30 in superleague? Over twice the number that Wigan have. In fact only Leeds come close with eight.'"
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It's 2012, better medical facilities and understanding of diet and exercise means players can play longer
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And add to that they have one of the least number of home grown players.'"
Relevance being?
As i've said before it's changing at Wire it doesn't happen over night
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| Quote ="TrentBarrett"You struggle to produce young talented player's so you have to buy in other teams?'"
Again so what?
Do you get more points for winning with homegrown players?
It's pro sport, you get the best out of what you have available to you, we have a rich sugar daddy <brummy voice> who is significantly richer than yours<end brummy voice>
Plus with the ever more successful squadbuilder it will slowly change.
It's a nice point for a p*ssing contest ours is better than yours for Wigan fans but in real terms it means bugger all.
People say we have an old squad and we buy players in. So in theory when the oldies retire we may still buy old very good players, there's no panic here, money talks in the world of capitalism and we have a man rolling in it.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Again so what?
Do you get more points for winning with homegrown players?
It's pro sport, you get the best out of what you have available to you, we have a rich sugar daddy <brummy voice> who is significantly richer than yours<end brummy voice>
Plus with the ever more successful squadbuilder it will slowly change.
It's a nice point for a p*ssing contest ours is better than yours for Wigan fans but in real terms it means bugger all.
People say we have an old squad and we buy players in. So in theory when the oldies retire we may still buy old very good players, there's no panic here, money talks in the world of capitalism and we have a man rolling in it.'"
Producing the likes of Sam Tomkins has allowed us to offer him a large wage and keep him at the club under the new salary cap amendments if we applied Warrington's mindset and bought him in we wouldn't be able to put together such a deal.
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| so its another off quota foreigner in the wigan ranks, depriving english talent of an opportunity... This cant be good for the future of our national game, having clubs like wigan filling their squad with sub standard foreign players..... its no wonder we cant beat the aussies..... how many players did wigan have in the 4 nations first 17..... Just the one? POOR
they must be pushing HKR close now for most foreign players.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"so its another off quota foreigner in the wigan ranks, depriving english talent of an opportunity... This cant be good for the future of our national game, having clubs like wigan filling their squad with sub standard foreign players..... its no wonder we cant beat the aussies..... how many players did wigan have in the 4 nations first 17..... Just the one? POOR
they must be pushing HKR close now for most foreign players.'"
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Isn't it true that Wire have the most players over the age of 30 in superleague? Over twice the number that Wigan have. In fact only Leeds come close with eight.'"
Obviously it is a worry having to replace our aged squad over the next couple of seasons. We wouldn't have this problem if they were all as young as Joel Tomkins and Thomas Leulai.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Obviously it is a worry having to replace our aged squad over the next couple of seasons. We wouldn't have this problem if they were all as young as Joel Tomkins and Thomas Leulai.'"
Will you be receiving £250,000 for any of your golden oldies when they retire?
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| Quote ="TrentBarrett"Will you be receiving £250,000 for any of your golden oldies when they retire?'"
No, but Moran will make that in interest in less than a week.
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| Quote ="just_browny"I do think it's alarming for Wigan that this is the calibre of player they attract.
But it may be that the signing of this no-mark is a clever ruse to make Carmont look reasonable in comparison.
Clever.'"
We don't have to make him look reasonable. He was one of the, if not the best centre in super league in 2011.
This site constantly infuriates me with the number of pointless threads and supposed 'banter' which is no more than primary school arguing.
I'd rather just find out rugby news and talk to other rugby league fans, you know, like you would talk to them in a pub before/after a game. Some people just need to grow up.
This post is in no way aimed solely at the posters on the Warrington boards, I just happened to have my little b**ch fit at this point
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| Quote ="JWarriors"We don't have to make him look reasonable. He was one of the, if not the best centre in super league in 2011.
This site constantly infuriates me with the number of pointless threads and supposed 'banter' which is no more than primary school arguing.
I'd rather just find out rugby news and talk to other rugby league fans, you know, like you would talk to them in a pub before/after a game. Some people just need to grow up.
This post is in no way aimed solely at the posters on the Warrington boards, I just happened to have my little b**ch fit at this point
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I hope you realise that if you had been a Wire fan posting something like that on the Wigan Board, you would have copped a ban by now.
OK, so we have some experienced players who are getting on in years, but we also have a fair bit of very exciting youth coming through. Last year we had to put up with post after post about Joel, and the 'holier than thou' Wigan Taliban were the worst. Then Wigan sign someone who's major achievement in the game is to squeeze one out in a public place and some people see it as an opportunity to get a bit of revenge. Joel has done well and behaved himself since he arrived and things have calmed down. Gelling will find the same if he behaves and keeps his cheeks clenched closely together.
It just so happens that we do occasionally have some good debate on here.
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| When I said 'this site' I don't mean the Warrington board exclusively. I mean on Wigan board, Leeds, Warrington, Saints etc.
I didn't say anything negative about Warrington fans, players, club or anything in any way.
My point was that there are numerous people on this site (rlfans) that would rather b**ch, moan, and argue like little kids rather than have an actual discussion about rugby league.
I have never or would never go into a pub and start a childish little argument (one step away from 'my dad's harder than your dad) with other rugby fans. I expect not many people on this site would do the same in real life. The internet seems to bring out the worst in people and that was my point. It's just annoying have to wade through all the cr*p to find anything interesting about our sport.
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| At least the cock measuring is starting early. Before a single game has been played. The new season is going to be greeeeeaaaat on here.
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| Quote ="21-12"Im sure the "normal" Wire posters on here are absoulutely cringing at this thread. Talk about obsessed.
Just for the record, he looked good yesterday at Hull KR, made a couple of breaks and looked sound defensively, big lad aswell.
Loving the "no mark" comment. Remember the exact same being said about George Carmont. Could be worse, we could have signed a vastly over rated over the hill Aussie like Trent Waterhouse.'"
Do you see the irony in your post?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Isn't it true that Wire have the most players over the age of 30 in superleague? Over twice the number that Wigan have. In fact only Leeds come close with eight.'"
Regarding the old age thing, then surely that is a misconception in regards to actually winning trophies?
Especially at a club like Leeds too?
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| Quote ="21-12"
Loving the "no mark" comment.'"
It's fair comment though isn't it? He is a no-mark. He might end up being an above average player (Carmont) but he is still just a random bloke to put into your squad. A bit like Stefan Marsh. Random. Average. A sort of Rugby playing Richard Ashcroft, if you will.
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| Quote ="Ian 77 Redux"It's fair comment though isn't it? He is a no-mark. He might end up being an above average player (Carmont) but he is still just a random bloke to put into your squad. A bit like Stefan Marsh. Random. Average. A sort of [size=150Rugby playing Richard Ashcroft, if you will[/size.'"
Bit harsh on gelling that.
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| To the conga-
Poo, poo poo, lets go and do the Gelling
Poo, poo poo, lets do it on the floor
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| Quote ="Ian 77 Redux"It's fair comment though isn't it? He is a no-mark. He might end up being an above average player (Carmont) but he is still just a random bloke to put into your squad. A bit like Stefan Marsh. Random. Average. A sort of Rugby playing Richard Ashcroft, if you will.'"
Richard Ashcorft average now I know this Wire forum is bad but you really do say some rubbish.
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| Quote ="TrentBarrett"Will you be receiving £250,000 for any of your golden oldies when they retire?'"
No, but we did get £100k plus a player in return for the passed-his-best-limited-shelf-life-damaged-goods Martin Gleeson off a rival team daft enough to fall for it. Nice bit of business that.
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| Quote ="SEB"No, but we did get £100k plus a player in return for the passed-his-best-limited-shelf-life-damaged-goods Martin Gleeson off a rival team daft enough to fall for it. Nice bit of business that.'"
Who then went on to win the Super League and helped massively along the way, great deal in my eyes.
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| Quote ="TrentBarrett"Richard Ashcorft average
now I know this Wire forum is bad but you really do say some rubbish.'"
Sorry, I meant crap. Could have been something special but fizzled into nothingness after a promising start. The Amos Roberts of the music world.
As for Gelling, rumours are that he's been late for training. If Wane is as hard as Wiganers think he is, I assume he'll be doing laps round Robin Park in his underpants*
*chased by Tomkins.
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| i went to watch the verve when they were at their peak after the one album they released that people liked.
ashcroft couldn't sing in tune, the band couldn't play properly.... they were all out of sync with each other.... worst concert i have ever seen..... half the crowd did the wigan walk half way through the set..... awful to watch... which was a bit of a let down for me at the time as i quite liked them..... now when someone bigs them up i just have a bit of a chuckle to myself and feel sorry for them.
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