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| Heh heh heh. Heh.
Classic Wigan half-back signing: 'Yeah...but...yeah, but the next two halfbacks in the academy are going to be WORLD CLASS.'
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"That's a mickey poor retort that rogues. signing a aussie nobody instead of promoting youth, what sort of message does that send out, thats what you said to us last week wasnt it?'"
Where does this leave Powell? Wane must have no faith in him, looks like he is heading the same way as Mellor.
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| Short of signing a decent aussie 6, they didnt really have many options.
Pryce (Not moving)
Gale (not as good)
Briers (not moving)
McGuire (not moving)
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Chase (Hull bound and wrong attitude)
Brown (Wibnes bound)
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Gaskell (not as good)
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Richard Horne (e)
Holdsworth (Hull bound.. better option).
There is nobody else in reality.
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| They may also bring Mellor back from Widnes. I've seen him put in decent stints this season, maybe with better class of player around he could go ok for them?
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Where does this leave Powell? Wane must have no faith in him, looks like he is heading the same way as Mellor.'"
Powell will be in the squad next season. He's still only 19/20. It's just a shame he broke his leg earlier this season and he's only just getting back to full fitness.
I have a feeling he will be used as sub back a few times next year where he will take on the Tommy Leuluai dual role of scrum half / interchange hooker. I expect Mellor will move to Widnes on a permanent deal as will Marsh.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Powell will be in the squad next season. He's still only 19/20. It's just a shame he broke his leg earlier this season and he's only just getting back to full fitness.
I have a feeling he will be used as sub back a few times next year where he will take on the Tommy Leuluai dual role of scrum half / interchange hooker. I expect Mellor will move to Widnes on a permanent deal as will Marsh.'"
Would you be happy to have Mellor back if that's what was decided or do you not think he could cut it at the top?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I was panicking a little, in case we announced the signing of five 30+ year olds'"
you mean the 5 30+ year olds that totally thrashed you lot..any how you couldnt afford em..
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| Quote ="Finsbury Wire"Would you be happy to have Mellor back if that's what was decided or do you not think he could cut it at the top?'" s
Sadly I don't think Mellor will make it at the very top level. That injury about three years ago took a quite a lot of pace from him. It is a shame really, but with Powell, Blake, Smith I can't see room for him, especially when the two England U18 halfbacks (Hampshire and Williams) could/should be pushing for places in two or three years depending on their progression.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"s
Sadly I don't think Mellor will make it at the very top level. That injury about three years ago took a quite a lot of pace from him. It is a shame really, but with Powell, Blake, Smith I can't see room for him, especially when the two England U18 halfbacks (Hampshire and Williams) could/should be pushing for places in two or three years depending on their progression.'"
Rogues. I just don't think these latest two signings are Wigan 'class.' They remind of when you signed that lad Clinch from Halifax a few years ago. Neither of them are particularly consistent. I get the impression you might also be short of some real strength up front next year.
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| Quote ="Teessidewire"Rogues. I just don't think these latest two signings are Wigan 'class.' They remind of when you signed that lad Clinch from Halifax a few years ago. Neither of them are particularly consistent. I get the impression you might also be short of some real strength up front next year.'"
I think the halves will be o.k. Blake is quick, has good hands and a decent kicking game. I agree we will need another prop top replace Lima, it'll be very interesting too see how Fielden goes until the end of the season. He played last night in the u20's and did o.k but was blowing pretty heavily at the end of his spells on the pitch. Sadly Prescott looks to have picked up a season ending injury in that game. He was making his last run with Fielden on the touchline to replace him when it happened. Did he just relax knowing he was coming off, or was it just one of those things.
I don't like the multi 30+ year policy, but I also don't think we can go with five young props, Prescott, Mossop, Spencer, Dudson and Crosby either. Interesting decisions to be made. I've heard Paul Woods name mentioned as "a rumour" signing.
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| The 30+ thing has given us some time to nurture some of the youngsters. Smith has been very careful as to when he's played people this season. We're also in a good position with overseas players, only 5 at the moment, and next season it may be down to four if Solo leaves us.
My nephew was a guest in one of the boxes last Saturday and they had a pre-match discussion with Alex Murphy. Murph really rates what's going on at the HJ at the moment (and not just on the playing side), and reckons the next 10 years could be very exciting.
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| Has Wane made a good signing? Thinking about it off the top of my head, there has been Lauaki, Gelling, Smith, Dudson and Flower. Then adding Green. I've not seen anything that will add much to their team, actually, with a fit squad none of them would get a jumper. Long may it continue Mr Wane.
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| Quote ="Side Burns"Has Wane made a good signing? Thinking about it off the top of my head, there has been Lauaki, Gelling, Smith, Dudson and Flower. Then adding Green. I've not seen anything that will add much to their team, actually, with a fit squad none of them would get a jumper. Long may it continue Mr Wane.'"
I think Dudson and Flower could develop into pretty handy players to be fair.
As I say previously, I think this will be the sign of things to come in a decreasing quality transfer market
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| dudson will make a top class prop, he was really coming into form when he got his injury. Flower is a solid workman. Gelling has shown glimpses of what he can do but hasn't played in his natural position at centre yet, Lauaki is a plodder who has been above expectations and I think Smith could turn into a very astute signing.
If you look at wigans possible starting 17 next year
1. Sam Tomkins 2. Josh Charnley 3. Darrell Goulding 4. Iain Thornley 5. Pat Richards 6. Blake Green 7. Matty Smith 8. Paul Prescott 9. Mike McIlorum 10. Lee Mossop 11. Harrison Hansen 12. Gareth Hock 13. Sean O'Loughlin SUBS 14. Gil Dudson 15. Ephalame Lauaki 16. Liam Farrell 17. Chris Tuson/Logan Tomkins/Sam Powell
I think the only position where we need to recruit is prop to add a bit of depth to the front row, I don't think Spencer is going to make the cut and Crosby seems more of a back rower to me. I wouldn't be suprised if wigan signed Craig Kopzack from Bradford, with the Harris/Wigan/Wales link he could be a very good signing and if Fielden isn't demanding top dollar, which I am sure he can't really expect, then I would offer him a 1 year deal.
I'm happy with the shape of our squad next year, a consistant pack with a good back line a team which could realistically stay together for a long time.
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| I liked Dudson in the 4 Nations. I thought he was one of the few Wales players her didn't look out of place.
I think the Wigan team for next year lacks that bit of spark. It goes without saying Tomkins and Hock are gamebreakers but I think the rest of the squad is shaping up as a purely workman like solid team. I think it could do with a couple more flair players to set it off.
However, they do have cap to spend you would assume as they must have lost some big earners over the last couple of years
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| Quote ="Side Burns"Has Wane made a good signing? Thinking about it off the top of my head, there has been Lauaki, Gelling, Smith, Dudson and Flower. Then adding Green. I've not seen anything that will add much to their team, actually, with a fit squad none of them would get a jumper. Long may it continue Mr Wane.'"
Iain Thornley, Rhodri Lloyd and Gil Dudson have bags of potential along with the re-signing of Sam Tomkins I think IL and Wane are concentrating on the future unlike the previous management.
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| Quote ="Side Burns"Has Wane made a good signing? Thinking about it off the top of my head, there has been Lauaki, Gelling, Smith, Dudson and Flower. Then adding Green. I've not seen anything that will add much to their team, actually, with a fit squad none of them would get a jumper. Long may it continue Mr Wane.'"
Has Wane EVER coached a side that has 60+ points scored against them?
At any level.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Has Wane EVER coached a side that has 60+ points scored against them?
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He's certainly coached a team that's lost home and away to a team this season...Tony Smith Hasn't
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Has Wane EVER coached a side that has 60+ points scored against them?
At any level.'"
Has Wane coached a team to a cup final yet??
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| Stop worrying about us. We're shaping up to have a very young British team next season with the exodus of Finch, Lima, probably Carmont, Roberts gone and possibly Fielden. We'll still be up there annoying you.
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| Quote ="Who are ya!!"Has Wane coached a team to a cup final yet??
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Yes.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Has Wane EVER coached a side that has 60+ points scored against them?
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I hope you're still in Sally Cinnamon mode. If not, you're seriously implying that Wane is a better coach than Tony Smith?
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| Quote ="Newton-Le-willows-Warrior"If you look at wigans possible starting 17 next year
1. Sam Tomkins 2. Josh Charnley 3. Darrell Goulding 4. Iain Thornley 5. Pat Richards 6. Blake Green 7. Matty Smith 8. Paul Prescott 9. Mike McIlorum 10. Lee Mossop 11. Harrison Hansen 12. Gareth Hock 13. Sean O'Loughlin SUBS 14. Gil Dudson 15. Ephalame Lauaki 16. Liam Farrell 17. Chris Tuson/Logan Tomkins/Sam Powell
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Thornley as starting centre? Who is in reserve after this disaster waiting to happen.
[iBlake / Matty [/i- that's not in italics its just that I was shaking in fear so much when I wrote their names next to each other.
Prescott / Mossop - two injury prone first choice props is not the way forward especially when one is only good enough for the fourth prop slot.
Dudson - how many Super League games has he played. Big responsibility (considering your first choice props will be injured half teh season at least nbetween them)
Lauaki - I'm feeling a bit glum this morning after last night so go on tell me again you signed him on a four year contract to cheer me up. When the best people can say about a player is "he isn't a bad as we thought he was going to be" says it all.
Interchange hooker - you need an interchange hooker. Who would play if McIllorum had to go in hospital to have his eye-sight straightened? You can't seriously expect Tomkins to be first choice, let alone 80 minutes.
Still Wigan will be ok. Enoiugh decent players to make you a top end team however even with Sam Tomkins in that sqaud I don't think it is good enough to win trophies and if he got injured it is a 5th to 8th place team next year.
As for no better stand-offs than "Blakes 7" being available then are people seriously suggesting he's better than Chase, Holdsworth, Brown and Burns?
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"As for no better stand-offs than "Blakes 7" being available then are people seriously suggesting he's better than Chase, Holdsworth, Brown and Burns?'"
I know nothing of Burns so can't comment.
Chase - Maybe a better player, but poor attitude, bagage, and almost certainly more expensive in both transfer and wages. I'd imagine Blake would fit in with the attitude of a top team more.
Brown - Already signed up for Widnes and what's to say he would have wanted to go back?
Holdsworth - He's good, I like him, would Salford be willing to let him go, and is a bit older. I think of your list he's the only one i'd prefer at Warrington than Blake
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"...
Still Wigan will be ok. Enoiugh decent players to make you a top end team however even with Sam Tomkins in that sqaud I don't think it is good enough to win trophies and if he got injured it is a 5th to 8th place team next year...
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It must be wonderful living life in your little dream world, I bet reality hits you real hard now and again.
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