1. Appointing Agar and extending Smith's contract guarantees both continuity and stability at the club. The players know what to expect, new recruits know the set up they will be joining, and the long term planning that has already been discussed between Moran and Smith can be carried through to completion.

2. Smith knows Agar very well - they get on, and that is extremely important. If a new head coach came in, there would be no guarantee of a close relationship between the two.

3. The coaching style and tactics appear to be very similar between the two of them (according to Smith).

4. If Agar is successful and gets the backing of the players, then he is available to seamlessly take over from Smith when he moves on.

So lots of positives, but the big question for me is how successful Agar is likely to be. Smith is a proven winner of cups, but Agar is not. It is pretty obvious when a player is any good or not, because we can see their performance on the field, but I am not sure as fans how we will know if Agar is a top coach or not until / if he takes over.

He under achieved at Hull, but in the past 15 years every coach barring John Kear has done that at Hull. He initially built a reasonable side at Wakefield for very little money, only to see it dismantled twice due to problems that were out of his hands. I doubt Jack Gibson could do very much with the current Wakefield squad.

Wakefield and Hull have used Agar as the fall guy and the fans have bought it.

Wakey has had financial problems that stopped him building a sustainable and strong squad.

Hull.. Well, Hull hasn't had a good coach for a while so maybe there's an issue with the chairman getting on with people..

With the wallet of Moran and guidance from TS, Agar has the recipe to be a great coach, hence his excitement to join us.

...and don't forget that we are by and large a non moaning fan base

Were you being a tad sarcastic there, Rico?

Correct WireFanatic I typed it with the irony key pressed firmly down or so I thought but well spotted

Thank Christ for that! I thought for a minute you were losing your marbles.

Bit confused over the Poching appointment then moving him on, he was Smiths choice. Clearly Agar is seen as an improvement.

There seem to be a lot of backtracking going on here, we have gone from if Agar comes season tickets wont sell and we could follow the same path as Wakefield to he is a great appointment and the future looks good...

" History is written by the winners"

Where are Richard Marshall & Wille Poaching moving to?

True, but, to be fair to the forum IW I think that most of it was based on an assumption that TS was lining up his replacement next season rather than an assistant

Perhaps Smith, Poching and Marshall think its time that Poching and Marshall had a go at running their own club/team as head coach and despite what drama queens on here may think Smith is going no-where for the forseeable future so that means they need to go elsewhere.

As in politics a week on this forum is a long time. With the revelation that TS is staying till 2016 ,the mood on here has suddenly mellowed & Richard Agar has gone from being the Great Satan to the Messiah-in-waiting. Great to see everybody so chilled now.

Guardian today says Poching is looking for a head coaches role for next year, or at least it is time for him to reach for it.

Marshall is taking time out to decide on his future, whatever that means.

I've been thinking about the Agar thing since it was announced, and whilst I'm still not thrilled about him coming on board, you have to at least admire a little bit, that he's had the balls to say "i want to leave, i want to go be somewhere and compete". People complain all the time about standards dropping and teams in the bottom half of the league stagnating/standing still. So its a bit refresshing to see this kind of attitude from someone at a lower placed club.

PLUS we've got a better chance of getting danny kirmond if Waterhouse does pack in at the end of the year.

Bit more of Smiths thinking here: www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/spo ... _for_Agar/

Bit more of Smiths thinking here: www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/spo ... _for_Agar/

Swear to God this is the most astonishing news I have ever heard!! It could only be topped if I were to hear that Barry Chuckle has become president of the United States. That said I would bet Barry would do a better job in that role than Agar will do at Wire. He is completely dire he has a CV FULL of failure on every level - Hull - horrendous - Wakefield - taking us to extinction and France - the most under performing side in the world cup. It really is the most incredible news I have ever heard - see you in the bottom half of the table next year. Unbelievable.

Seems to be a case of 'freshening' things up from a coaching standpoint which I can relate to, dealing with the same coaches and players does tend to breed familiarity and someone coming in from outside can see things that people closer may miss.

And as someone has already said the concern was with Agar in and Smith out but we have both until 2016.

Reading the Guardian today I doubt Smith is planning on going anywhere by his own choice anytime in the future.

That's the spirit pal get yourself over to the Wigan forum and tell em John Monie was a garbage coach because he won nowt with France... its that simple it really is.....

And just to help you along the most under performing side at the world cup were Wales and their head coach has just ousted the most successful British coach in the super league era at the Richest Club in the world............

if you want to have a laugh at another club you've come to the Wrong place unlike Richard Agar.

I'll laugh my tits off when you lot give Bobbie Goulding an interview..........

Smith on leaving: "It’s nice to have had some interest and very flattering, but I haven’t been tempted to do that and nor do I think I will in the future.”

Crickey!!! - you honestly believe that Wales were the biggest underperformers in the RL world cup as opposed to France - wow!!!

Oh well heres the evidence - please feel free to make your case for the mighty France who managed to score THREE tries in FIVE HOURS AND TWENTY MINUTES OF RUGBY!!!!! Also just looked at their squad which contained 20 FULL TIME NRL OR SUPER LEAGUE PLAYERS.

Please enlighten me as to your rational!!!! - you seem such a well informed sort of fella

France 9 Papuia New Guinnea 8 Wales 16 USA 24
France 6 Sammoa 22 Wales 24 Cook Islands 28
France 0 New Zeland 48 Wales 16 Italy 32
France 6 England 34
To be fair though in relation to the Bobby Goulding interview comment, I can hand on heart say that if I was given the choice between Ellie Goulding and Rich Agar to be our coach - I would be more than happy to go with the little pop princess. Agar is desperate - unbelievably bad - he has great ideas like playing almost every player in the team out of position as well as his fav trick of leaving replacements on the bench for the whole match watching their team mates barely able to raise a walk let alone a jog. You have my friend as we say over this way "bought a pup". GL

This guy ^^^ is definitely not in the Agar fan club

That guy, needs to lie down in a dark room, and suck some ice cubes, perhaps.