Losing tomorrow would be a disaster, even with the players missing through injury we should be beating Salford. Backlash from KR and saints wil be seen.

Why be so negative....just because it hasn't happened before, last year at half time we were still in with a good chance of losing. We just need to get more of a loser mentality in the side. A lot of our players have no experience of what its like to go to Wembley and lose so they can't imagine themselves being able to do it. The fans can play their part to deflate them too, with 30000 Wire fans raining down a chorus of boos it would be like having a man sent off. Maybe some of the older players like Westwood, Wood and Briers could give a teamtalk before the game about what its like to play in a crap side and what it takes to be at that crap level week in week out.

I know you are just trying to cheer me up, but I still think it would be difficult to lose to a great team like Leeds. Yes, if we had teams like those in the 70's and some of the 80's perhaps we would be in with a chance. OK we had a blip when Murphy took over, but all teams go through bad periods. I can still hear the Fletcher end banging on the cladding chanting 'losers, losers, losers'.

It's just not the same anymore.

Don't think so Rico. Fans are satiated with wins coming out of their ears and can't believe we have lost two in a row. I don't think it's apathy, they are all peeping out from the behind the settee, too worried to look at the match.

So far this season we've lost the same games we did last season. I seem to recall it didn't turn out so bad in the end.

Keep the faith even if we lose tomorrow. (As we did last year.)

As an aside - I'm really enjoying SL this season. Much more unpredictable and closer league so far, with some really good games. Unfortunately, this means we're probably going to not see us just turn up and play teams off the park.

I hope we're not turning into Wiganers where if we don't win 30 - 0 every week it's a disaster.

That's a comfort Charlie so thanks.

I have also re read your's and Sal's earlier posts and I am now looking forward to this 'lose/lose' game. Win and it's expected so it's a loss and lose and its also a loss so a 'win/win' all round as we hone our losing skills before the Cup and Play Off series...Come on you Red's it's in the bag.