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| just out of curiosity, why should you have beaten us?
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| That piece terribke to read- it had little flow. The MEN need to get journos who can write.
I'm curious as to what the MEN believes made Hicks' a poor display.
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| Quote ="meast"just out of curiosity, why should you have beaten us?'"
With all respect, you're no Saints, Leeds or Wigan.
You're a team, like us, building slowly and trying to peck away at the big boys. You're not dire and you're not world beaters. That puts us in a similar circle. If we want to progress we need to be seeing teams like yourselves as beatable at home. You'd look at Salford the same way if you were playing us at home.
I'd expect that, and certainly wouldn't get the hump if other fans viewed us as such.
You've got to be realistic.
Nobody 'should' beat anyone else. A more accurate phrase would be 'Should be a team we can compete with and be strong against on our own patch.'
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| Quote ="meast"just out of curiosity, why should you have beaten us?'"
Divine right mate!
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| Quote ="TheButcher"With all respect, you're no Saints, Leeds or Wigan.
You're a team, like us, building slowly and trying to peck away at the big boys. You're not dire and you're not world beaters. That puts us in a similar circle. If we want to progress we need to be seeing teams like yourselves as beatable at home. You'd look at Salford the same way if you were playing us at home.
I'd expect that, and certainly wouldn't get the hump if other fans viewed us as such.
You've got to be realistic.
Nobody 'should' beat anyone else. A more accurate phrase would be 'Should be a team we can compete with and be strong against on our own patch.''"
With respect I agree. Leeds, Saints, Warrington and Wigan are trophy winners. A different league to everyone else.
However when it comes to big game experience. CC final, playoff semi' finals, playoff games in general how can you put yourself in our league?
Not to say you won't get there this season. Do it regularly and big teams will stand up and take you seriously like they do us.
Money can buy you good players but experience of constantly finishing in the top 4 like we have you can't buy. Maybe we'll both take a step forward this season.
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| Quote ="AntonyGiant"
Everything's subjective.
I personally think that Huddersfield are ahead of us in the progress to become a top four side. However, I don't think you're so far ahead that it is unreasonable to expect us to win at home. Recent results in the modern era would suggest it's not unrealistic at all. Of course, you may disagree, and that's why it's subjective...
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| Not forgetting we beat you at your place a month ago....
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| Quote ="meast"just out of curiosity, why should you have beaten us?'"
What will happen to you when Brough retires ?
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| Quote ="scoot"What will happen to you when Brough retires ?'"
Oh don't worry- his apprentice is being groomed as we speak, big giants fan so despite wigan and wire already showing interest we will keep him. - thanks for the concern.
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| Quote ="scoot"What will happen to you when Brough retires ?'"
same as happens when any player retires, you replace him, what a stupid question!
i agree in the sense that you are an up and coming team, rebuilding so to speak, as we did, but we did that years ago with patience, hard work, and very good coaches,since then we have been consistent play off makers,getting to 2 elimination semi finals, won a league title, appeared in 2 cup finals, 4 semi finals.
no disrespect but i don't see the parallels with you, you have basically bought big name players and tried to create an insant winning team, that rarely happens in sport, who knows you might be successful in the near future and i hope you are.
but the difference between the 2 clubs couldn't be more different really, and yes you beat us at ours, you often do, you do seem to be a bit of a bogey side for us, although we have only lost once at the AJbell and that was by a single point.
but saying you should expect to beat us is a bit arrogant IMO.
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| Quote ="meast"same as happens when any player retires, you replace him, what a stupid question!
i agree in the sense that you are an up and coming team, rebuilding so to speak, as we did, but we did that years ago with patience, hard work, and very good coaches,since then we have been consistent play off makers,getting to 2 elimination semi finals, won a league title, appeared in 2 cup finals, 4 semi finals.
no disrespect but i don't see the parallels with you, you have basically bought big name players and tried to create an insant winning team, that rarely happens in sport, who knows you might be successful in the near future and i hope you are.
but the difference between the 2 clubs couldn't be more different really, and yes you beat us at ours, you often do, you do seem to be a bit of a bogey side for us, although we have only lost once at the AJbell and that was by a single point.
but saying you should expect to beat us is a bit arrogant IMO.'"
I actually do see parallels between Hudds and salford, in that we once did what salford are doing, buying once great players past their best and injury plagued in the hope we could buy quick success, schofield, goulding, vievers (although I don't want to do him a disservice as he alwAys gave his all for us) Bentley etc.
It didn't work for us either. We learnt from that.
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| Id say hudd are ahead of us. No doubt about it! Were like the new kids on the block. Huddersfield are an established top5 side for me
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| Quote ="jools"I actually do see parallels between Hudds and salford, in that we once did what salford are doing, buying once great players past their best and injury plagued in the hope we could buy quick success, schofield, goulding, vievers (although I don't want to do him a disservice as he alwAys gave his all for us) Bentley etc.
It didn't work for us either. We learnt from that.'"
that was when we first got promoted into super league though, we thought by signing these experienced players it would pay off for us, sadly it went the other way.
salford on the other hand are an established super league club trying to buy success but failing.
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| it's a shame he didn't think to do that straight away, the fruits of that academy system could be coming through by now rather than relying on journeymen
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| He promised when he first took over that the academy would have an overhaul. Like most things done right it takes time to put the right systems in place- and longer to see the benefits-the problem with marwan is he's already made promises he can't/hasn't been able to keep- so there's less inclination to listen....
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| They need to get scouts out watching the local kids. A mate of mine has a son of secondary school age who plays for an amateur tean in Salford. He says he has never seen any scouts from Salford turn up however he has been approached on three separate occasions by Wigan scouts and has signed with them. The talent is there, they just need to go and look for it.
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| Quote ="meast"...the fruits of that academy system could be coming through by now...'"
Quote ="jools"Like most things done right it takes time to put the right systems in place- and longer to see the benefits...'"
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| Quote ="stouffer"icon_eek.gif'"
They're like Laurel and Hardy. Except not funny.
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| Quote ="meast"it's a shame he didn't think to do that straight away, the fruits of that academy system could be coming through by now rather than relying on journeymen'"
No chance. It takes 10 years, even a generation, to produce a conveyor belt of talent of the likes of Wigan, Leeds etc. Plus, you need a decent side before you get there to keep that talent. Leeds, Wigan and Saints, for example, had teams full of well-paid first and second rate imports before they could bring their talented youngsters through.
Salford have done right in investing in big name talent and need to couple that with investment in youth. You need that coupling. You can’t have one without the other these days.
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| Marwan will have seen the performances from young players like Liam Hood, Carl Forster, Scott Taylor, Niall Evalds, Theo Fages etc this season and wondered why he didn’t give them their chances sooner. I imagine they are all on relatively cheaper wages than some of their older team mates and the output from them has been just as good if not better in some instances.
It’s great to hear him speaking like this though, as the penny is finally dropping.
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| Quote ="meast"same as happens when any player retires, you replace him, what a stupid question!
i agree in the sense that you are an up and coming team, rebuilding so to speak, as we did, but we did that years ago with patience, hard work, and very good coaches,since then we have been consistent play off makers,getting to 2 elimination semi finals, won a league title, appeared in 2 cup finals, 4 semi finals.
no disrespect but i don't see the parallels with you, you have basically bought big name players and tried to create an insant winning team, that rarely happens in sport, who knows you might be successful in the near future and i hope you are.
but the difference between the 2 clubs couldn't be more different really, and yes you beat us at ours, you often do, you do seem to be a bit of a bogey side for us, although we have only lost once at the AJbell and that was by a single point.
but saying you should expect to beat us is a bit arrogant IMO.'"
Not really a stupid question, Danny runs the show at Hudds can you replace his talent ?.
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| Quote ="scoot"Not really a stupid question, Danny runs the show at Hudds can you replace his talent ?.'"
Yes
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| the question was , what will we do when he retires, well what do clubs normally do when a player retires?
unless the question was, how will we perform on the pitch without him , then that's to be seen, i'm sure we will have something lined up when that time comes.
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