You Carnt blame him for last night, so is the team good enough?. End of the day we were well beaten by Leeds kids.

i've been saying this from the start of the season when all the mcrae haters started! All this he cant motivate players etc is $hite! The players aren't good enough collectively on a regular basis. We pull off a great win like saints at home for example, then get beat off crusaders. Its the players not the coach! We all say mcrae cant motivate the players, many thought alker would be able too but has he? At the end of the season we need a full overhaul of the backroom staff IMO, new coach, assistant, conditioner, physio etc. One thing i have noticed this season especially is that every other team looks fitter, physically bigger and sharper than us. Didn't alker and our conditioner go on a holiday down under in the close season to get ideas and techniques to help us? not working yet.

Well he certainly did against Wigan and for 40 minutes last night, I'd like to believe thats better than McRae already this season?

had to lauf at that one for 40 mins that we went on and got spanked 46-12 like thats going to do us any good all season

Yes 100% to blame. Any good season needs to be built on a good pre season, he should of put structures and systems in place as well as enhancing skill and tackling levels. The new coaches can not fix it all in 2 weeks.

I plead that SM does not come back. He has just had nearly 3 months off then 3 games in leaves. The head coach supposed to be the rock in any club not 'phoning in sick' and leaving the players up creek without a paddle. Everyone should be pulling in the right direction not going on leave for a 4 week jolly!!!!!!!

well mcrae was in charge against wakefield? So i take it, it was mcraes fault that we played shocking in the 2nd half at leeds? It seems that you think it was Alkers great work that we competed for 40 mins but then because we got hammered in the 2nd half thats down to mcrae?

Beaten 26-0 in the second half - Paaleasina didn't come back on, presumably that was a conscious decision by Alker after taking him off in the first half when Leeds had waltzed past him twice!

Is this McCrae's fault - largely yes, he's been in charge for 3 1/2 years, he was in charge all through the pre-season, presumably he had a say in signing two forwards who just fill up the treatement room and another let go by Wigan because all the opposition know to target his defensive weaknesses.

Where's William Shakespeare when you need him? This season has all the makings of a tragedy.

Can you please reflect on some of your statements regarding SM,the man is off work due to sickness/ill health and neither you nor any other posters know what his condition is and he wont be on a four week jolly.

I'm prety certain we'd all agree that the problems at the club are not just down to any one individual. The whole set-up appears flawed as far as I can see....
Player power rumoured to rear it's head every so often.
Poor close season signings a regular occurrence.
An apparent lack of team spirit.
Supposedly poor fitness levels.
An incomprehensible ability to 'fold' mid game allowing the opposition to cash in heavily.
The inability for younger players to progess year upon year.
The Head Coaches inability to clearly explain how heavy/regular defeats are occuring.
etc etc etc ...
Something just seems inherently wrong within the club. It's as if Salford RLFC is destined never to attain SL greatness. Even a decent Challenge Cup run now seems highly unlikely each season. The poor Directors must be totally downcast.
Unless, by some remarkable turn of fate the playing squad comes good combined with the new stadium and posssible new investors/sponsors, I now seriously doubt that silverware will be seen at the club for many years to come.
I'm sure most of us would be happy just to watch a competitive team, and not have to endure season upon season of heavy defeats and false dawns.
Sadly, I just don't see any light at the end of the tunnel.


I truly hope I am wrong.

Wakefield arent exactly the same quality as Wigan or Leeds though are they? To add to that, when did I say it was McRae's fault we didn't preform for the second half against Leeds, when did I say it was McRae's fault for our second half performance? I didn't say it was anyones fault, and I just don't get why everyones slating Alker when he's had no experience in coaching a team before now. The problem isn't just McRae, its the coaches and the players, the desire to win, or even compete just doesn't seem to be there.

Apart from Crusaders we were the last team to get the "squad" together for training namely January, the rest had their sqads in from November, surely that is the coaches fault for allowing that to happen, perhaps we would have been better prepared. Yes it is a tough opening, we have known this since the fixtures came out so the coach should have known that we needed to be "gelling" early to play well.

Thats in the past now so hopefully we can try and start winning games and playing for the full 80 and that means no place in the team for Feka, we need tacklers to build up from defence not a circus comedy act that this player is.

Original I have reflected on SM position and it makes me angy and even requesting my money back on the families season tickets!!!

So in 2 weeks time he will rid of stress? A big loss and he will be stressed again, it comes with the territory, I don't think he has helped himself due to diet etc, this is not a personal swipe but any decent coach looks after himself as he should be active on the pitch. In all my years of watching Salford (a very long time) I have never seen such a farce, there are so many fundamentals flaws its untrue:

Coach going on sick
Football director keeping his job year after year when the club is in steap decline
Football director taking over when not Been in full time coaching role for 15 years?
Signing injured players on massive contracts
Employing an assitant with no genuine exposure of top class coaching
Employing an assistant who been out game 12 month
Signing aged players on large and long contracts
Giving some players who are not worth a championship contracts new deals (sidlow, jewit)
Giving vice captain to an overweight fringe player.


The list can go on and on:

Wilky act now, or we will continue be laughing stock of SL we need a total overhaul from top to bottom.

i agree with most of that, who is the vice captain?

Rob parker!!

I've always stuck up for Simms, but our recruitment doesn't seem so wise now. We needed a quality prop forward and got two injured second rowers instead.

Signing aged players on long contracts is reallying hurting us already and, since they're on long contracts, it's not like we can replace them anytime soon. Especially damaging when one of the injured two is on an overseas quota place.

I also don't get what the deal is with Parker, Warrington fans never had much, complimentay, to say about him. Patten or Cashmere should have taken the role.

The clubs main problem is the way every young player in the team, is looking stale and failing to get any better. If I was close to Broughton, I'd be advising him to get away from the club ASAP. He's got the ability to be an international standard winger, but seems to look less like one every week. There was a Leeds fan on the forum a couple of days ago, saying how good Gibson's Defence was at Leeds, when it's dreadful for us.

In the main, it' s not the quality of our players. It's more due to the fact, we have no shape in defence and fail to drift. Poor structures in defence really is down to poor coaching.

Whether SM or SS or the rest of the back room staff are to blame, the present set up have had at least 3 1/2 years to make little or no progress, we only have to look at all the other clubs who have gone down & come back up & have moved forward, to know the present set up in particular SS & his recruitment policy past & present has not improved us one bit. I am fed up of being fed up with this crap SM & SS have fed us.

It is getting boring listening to the argument about SM & SS at no other club would these two still be in a job. I did not go on Friday because I could not be bothered & to make matters worse for me I did not even miss not going.

Come on Salford please sort out this mess, it is not right that we are going to go through this season, the same as last season & the season before!!

I'm sorry but I still don't get why Steve Simms comes in for so much stick on this forum. His role at the club is clear, he is there to sort out the contracts and negotiations with players' agents once the head coach has identified which players he wants to sign - Simms will have had no input to the identification of targets for us to recruit. This team is McRae's team, he has identified the players he wants and Simms has negotiated with them to try and get them to sign - which depends on their wage demands and their willingness to come - some he succeeded in securing (Patten) and some he didn't (Gardner - allegedly) but I am in no doubt that Steve Simms did not say to McRae at any point that he thought that he should or shouldn't sign certain players.

What I do believe though is that Steve Simms will have advised JW on the initial appointment of Shaun McRae but that was nearly 3 years ago now and if I recall, there weren't that many coaches available and of those that were some wouldn't have considered us for a second.

And just to clarify, I'm as unhappy at the nature of our performances this year as the next man and pesonally think that if McRae has any honour he will resign and let us find a new coach. If that happens, then sure as eggs are eggs, Steve Simms will not tell the new coach who he can and cannot sign, I can't think of a single coach that would work under that constraint - remember what happened at Newcastle United with KK? He sued them and won for constructive dismissal and whilst that sounds attractive, we simply can't afford it.

Oh Dear Matey, you have started something now.

I mean in all our banter I have never sugested Your team are the laughing stock of Super League, as one of your compatriots have done in one of the responses to your thread.

Seriously though it would do no harm for the club to drop down for a couple of seasons re-group start to win a few games as I do accept they would be a very good Championship club. At least you'd be competing in a meaningful division instead of seeing your seasons ending by the end of April each season.

I genuinely feel sorry for the loyal supporters like yourself and as you know I have had seasons of it myself.

IMO we have signed too many old/past their best players, I can understand why we have done this because last season we had a very young squad. One of my mates who has come with me to watch Salford a couple of times always says the same thing! We never buy players who are in form. Its like people just come to Salford to add some more money to their pension. Use the club!

Always behind the sticks:

I agree with some of your comments & up to last year probably went along with your argument but not any more. SS as been the common denominator while KH was at the club & SM. I am not saying he his to blame for everything within the club but the club is stale on the pitch, as said three & half years is long enough for SM a lot longer for SS. As is said above we seem to bring the same old player each year looking for the final pay day.
Finally, you say we cannot afford to get rid, I say we cannot afford to keep them?

RG - I'm sorry but I stil fail to see your argument. How has Steve Simms contributed to us being stale on the pitch? Steve was still in post when we made the play-offs in 2005, when we all witnessed (I think) some of the best rugby played at the Willows for many years, I think he was still in post when we got relegated (twice) under two different coaches, he was still in post when we won the Championship GF (twice) under two different coaches and in post when we successfully secured our SL licence, so whilst he's been around we've achieved a fair amount but we've had many setbacks too. However, what's clear to me is that Steve has only ever fleetingly been involved in coaching the first team (usually when a coach has been sacked) and he will likely tell you, if asked, that coaching is not his job - really, he's the HR manager for the playing staff and here's why:

I spoke to Steve for about an hour uninterrupted just after he joined the club and he told me some horror stories about how the club used to operate prior to his arrival, e.g. both Corvo and Carige had been brought to the club on the strength of some montage video footage shipped across from Oz by their agents - they'd looked like world beaters, the club swallowed the lie and paid them ridiculous wages. In the case of Corvo, he'd already been advised by a number of medical experts in Oz that his career was over due to his knee, and to top it all, he even managed to blag the club that his brother was some sort of fitness conditioner when he was no such thing but his agent stipulated that his brother was part of the deal or he wouldn't come. Effectively, the Corvo brothers enjoyed an all expenses paid trip to Europe courtesy of the club. It was Steve Simms that ended that type of practice and it's him that keeps us honest around complying with the salary cap - I repeat, Steve Simms has had, I believe, absolutely no say in who McRae wanted to sign this year unless it meant that we couldn't afford them due to cap constraints, the depth of the clubs pockets (whichever came first) or that a player we had signed could not obtain a visa for whatever reason.

Now, having read that, do you still consider that the club would benefit from dismissing Steve Simms from his role? We'd simply have to replace him with someone else experienced enough to deal with players and their agents. If we have signed crocked players, past their prime, then I lay the blame for that squarely at McRae's door, it was his recommendation, Simms will have considered the budget and then set about hammering out the terms.

Finally, your point about not being able to afford to pay McRae off is an interesting one though, and I dare say that it may be reaching a tipping point - i.e. how much time he has left on his deal counterbalanced against the potential damage being done from not performing in our final season at the Willows (vital if we are to move and build some momentum). I guess the irony is that it will be Steve Simms that will advise JW on the best course of action!

I agree with the majority of your comments but to blame McRae (again) for signing crocks can't be right, he might recommend targets he wants but surely the club has a "stringent" medical team that would be able to look at the players fitness. If not, why not? Are we a rich enough club to waste money?

To agree with shed head I think he has highlighted a problem which must be of Simms making.

As you say McRae points at who he wants and then Simms does everything needed then to gain and process the player in to a Salford Player. Therefore it must be Simms who has the responsibility for ensuing that the players have a thorough medical and are fit for purpose. As you say It can't be McRae's fault as he just says which players he wants. Simms is therefore failing in his job capacity to ensure that we take on the right players.

The only thing that would absolve him of any fault would be if he highlighted that he didn't feel the player was ok fitness wise and either McRae or the board overruled him and decided that they would buy the player anyway.

So do the board actually need to take the hit for the mismanagement then relating to the players we have bought in? Are the board knowingly buying crocked players or are they taking them on blindly? I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't want a full report to digest prior to giving the go ahead on where their money will go.

Always behind the sticks

agreeing with me about McRae from what I said in Cardiff



an old coach with very old ideas and no idea how the opposition will play, whereas the opposition know how we will play and the weak areas, thats called good coaching, a game plan to fit the game you are playing in a bespoke plan, not a McRae one size fits none plan.