How have we not shown Castleford any respect? All our transfer and/or offers have been done so with the upmost respect. Maybe you should think before throwing wild statements around without any knowledge or facts to back them up.

We are negotiating with Cas, you obviously have limited business experience if you think we would just throw £100k at them straight away.



Luckily your not negotiating the deal and Koukash will pay much less, which when added to the saving made on Chase salary leaves Cas looking much better financially.

Then we won't get Chase then. Didn't the Doc offer a world record fee for Tompkins? Chase is probably only 2nd to him so it has to be well over £100000 for me?

Didn't Hull FC offer £350000?

It may be enough to satisfy you and I fear the Cas BOD - I think they would find it hard to turn down, but I would urge them to. The fans certainly wouldn't want him going for that

And we are not deluded at all, He is still contracted for more than 2 years, And is the best player in the league next year when Tomkins leaves. If you honestly think the best player in the league is only worth 100k, Its you who are deluded.

We don't want to sell him. We have been building a team around him and will continue to do so, If he wants out and engineers the move, We have to try and make the deal suit us.

I put it to you all, If Cas stand firm at 350k (Which is what was rumoured last year) - Would you not want Marwan to pay it as it would be too much ? - Would you accept that he wasn't worth it. The good Dr has set himself up for a fall saying he will splash the cash to get you the best, Time to put his money where his mouth is. But as I say at the start of this post, I fear 250k will be a figure that will satisfy our board.

The reality is that we ,as mere supporters,don't have a clue what the correct figure is,and it doesn't really affect us.
Just leave them to it,picking numbers out of the air is just pointless

That was a figure widely talked about.

Hull fc also paid more than 100k for Westerman, So 100k wasn't a record fee.

If I remember rightly - Wigan paid Bradford about 450k for Fielden back when they were in danger of going down.

There is a long way to go if this is going to happen:
1. Cas and Salford have to agree a price. At the moment, I hear that the two valuations are WELL apart.
2. Chase will want to leave Cas and join Salford. He currently lives close to Cas and has a young child to look after.
3. Chase's wages. Next year he will be the highest paid player in SL. Castleford manage this as we don't have to worry about going over the salary cap. Matching his current contract whilst trying to build a team of other high-earners around him and staying under the cap will be very difficult.
4. And this is the biggest obstacle - he would have set a legal precedent to get a Visa or citizenship. It's been done to death but the fact is that there has never been a Visa or Citizenship granted to anyone currently serving a criminal sentence, as Chase is at the moment.

Wasn't Whiteheads asking price £100000 which we met with Bradford?

That may have been a record for your club, But it wont be for the league.

The rumour has it Warrington have already made a deal for Daryl Clark that makes 100k look very small (Albeit its been said he will remain with us next year, I personally think thats part of a deal with them to give Higham another year, Let Clark develop), Westerman was sold for over 100k and there are many other examples.

I think the minimum our board will accept will be 250k, But as I say. I worry that this will be enough also.

Detoriman - you are as deluded as Red League. Please understand the money for the fee goes INTO the game and not into the pockets of the players. The transfer market is DEAD. Deceased. No more. Its manna from heaven for Cas like it was for us when Myler went to Warrington & Smith to Wigan. He can come for nothing when his contract is up.

The more things change the more they stay the same.
It's beginning to remind me of [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-392016/Wigan-money-Fielden.html2006[/url

One or two names change but [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2006/jun/23/rugbyleague.sportRoyal Ascot - Brian Noble - Transfer Fees -[/url

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/6896583.stmSalary Cap Breach[/url

For the cherry on the top of the cake - [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyleague/2317766/Castleford-angry-at-Wigans-salary-cap-breach.htmlCastleford Upset[/url

The only deja vu I would like is a second half performance by the players for 2013

Yes, but as has been pointed out, the money Rangi generates for the club through attendances and sponsorship means over the next two years could be in excess of the transfer fee offered. In which case, it makes sense to keep him and let him leave for nothing in 2 years! Meanwhile, we can spend time trying to persuade him to sign an extended deal.

The Cas board are in a real tough situation.They need to get Chases wages of their wage bill but they also need to keep their loyal fans happy.Its very difficult for any sporting organisation to keep a player who for whatever reason no longer wants to be there.In Chases case its probably because of the wages he will earn at Salford.I have no doubt he loves Cas and would,given the same sort of wages,would opt to stay at Cas.Everyone knows how short a career RL can be so obviously Chase has to maximise his earnings now.
For the Cas board to keep their fans happy or at least accept the situation as inevitable then they have to really negotiate an amazing financial deal for their club and who can blame them for doing that.
I would be amazed if the final deal wasnt over or around the 250K mark.Thats making the presumption the deal even happens.Anything less than that would not go down well with the Cas fans and in all honesty i wouldnt blame them at all.

£200k to £250k but I could see Cas accepting £200000 as that's with chase's wages around £380000 they would save and have to play with next year.

Early Bath, Koukash isn't John Wilkinson (not a tight ar$e) he has a lot of resources, and he knows Chase would be a big crowd puller for Salford too, i know we offered 100k for a forward who isn't even at the top of the rankings in the game. Chase is block buster and is easily worth double Elliot whitehead. He's starting at £60k to
Stop stupid over the top offers being layed down early on.

Fair point Nottingham. As for Salford I really feel the transfer fee limit should be about £100k. Just think that a `Golden Hello`of £150k for the likes of a Greg Inglis would be far better business.

The good Chairman hasnt made his money by negotiating poor deals.

And you don't win trophies by being cheap. We had a cheap skate running the club for 30 years and it all but put us boarder line with championship clubs in comparison with fan base and attraction, if Dr Koukash wants us up their we have to compete with the top sides, for gods sake Warrington bought and unproven (at the time) you lad from us for £250000 and you expect us to land the 2nd best player in super league for £100000, don't make me laugh.

Firstly, Cas don't need to get Chase's wages off the wage bill. He is our only 'big' earner (other then Shenton but even he isn't near the salary that Chase is on).
Secondly, Chase may be offered a contract by Salford that is lower than his current one at Cas! Cas can afford to pay Chase a massive salary and stay under the salary cap because we have no other big earners! If Koukash intends to bring in a team of high-quality players (which I believe he does) then he cannot spunk such as massive wage on one player as you'll end up with poor players in other areas (or a squad of 10 players!)
As much as I think Rangi is a great player, he is not worth compromising the possibility of building an all-round team.

Can anyone confirm the source of the 60k offer? The radio reports and news websites I've read make no mention of the amount offered.

? Don't follow sorry!

Yes I do. See my point re a Golden Hello for a Top Aussie/New Zealander. Plenty of fish in the sea.

I wonder who Cas' bankers are, whether Cas have an overdraft and how their bankers view the prospect of a significant reduction in that overdraft (if indeed they have one - any accountants on here seen the last published figures?)
To me, if I were negotiating then the crucial point is that Cas own a depreciating asset. Yes, Rangi Chase is good, undeniable, is he the single factor that will turn Salford's fortunes around? I don't think so, he's another pawn on the board, will it be a disaster if we don't sign him? No, of course not.
So I'd say the ball is firmly in Cas' court - somewhere there's a deal, I wonder if the parties will find out just where?

That's not what I heard from someone that knows Ian Millward. I heard that Jack Fulton is having to bail you out of the brown stuff month after month.

We have been losing about 300k a year. Which is a lot less than most clubs.

Mr Millward is a big part of the problem.

Sorry, but you are believing something you have heard second-hand that is meant to have come from a coach we sacked!!!!
If we can't afford Chase's wages we would have accepted any offer for him!