Yeah, so where would that money have come from if Myler had accepted the contract?

I think a hard dose of commercial (and legal) reality is needed by some fans...

The club is actually a private limited company, limited by shares (see [urlhttp://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/e969c92a43f903bed5fb5629769af7ca/compdetails[/url for details).

The primary responsibilty of the business is to its shareholders, so when people say "it's out club", that is simply not the case. If you want that to be the case then buy some shares!

It is simply unrealistic for people to want to know commercially sensitive information regarding things like contracts for the stadium and much of the criticism of the club has been about these issues. BUT I'm certainly not saying the club have been blameless, they could have issued a statement explaining what they were and were not allowed to say and that would have defused a lot of the anger and frustration.

Myler wouldnt have accepted it regardless what was printed it was the official line, they work at salford like we work at your job people would have talked like you talk to your mate over the desk but in the changing room or training field so the club would have had a idea that he was on his way long before the club dreamed up the idea of a highest paid player ever

I was annoyed but i think the club played a blinder, you would probably find the club built into the contract his wage would have gone up gradually to give them so many years to reorganise the money as people are released and retire so it wouldnrt have been "right from friday your on 100k"

Good idea Iain, but it's now turned into another 'Myler' thread

Iain,I will probably be classed as someone who regularly defends the club, which I admit I have done from time to time but I believe that there is a time and a place to air one's grievances and unfortunately some people will have a go at the club at every opportunity even when there is just a rumour or some innuendo to go off.

What annoys me is that some of the posters on here have had many chances to face their main targets from the club but rarely if ever do when given the opportunity and if they do attend meetings with other supporters and club officials they usually keep quiet, and mishear what has gone on at the meeting.

People query what are the club doing with the money that is coming in, yet cannot understand that with our crowds and other income streams we are only, and are quite correct in doing so, working within our financial limits.

I come on this forum because I have had a long standing affection for the club, going back to 1946 for my first match, and I am lucky that my family have carried on along with myself.

I like seeing what other peoples views are concerning all aspects of the club and even when other peoples views differ from my own it does make you think and in some cases revise one's own views.

KOTS is correct on his post and he has put his own views down very forcefully for everyone to see and he has always been consistent with his views.

Some of the posters never ever give the club credit in whatever it does and the same posters jump in to criticize the club for a wide range of things.IE Trevor Hodgson, Trish Goldsmith, Adam Jude,the Tannoy system is too loud, the Tannoy system cannot be heard, Neil Barker has said this and that, the list goes on.

Most of the posters that I know who could be said to be "Pro the club" actually do put points of criticism forward but only when it is required and in a reasonable manner.

With regards the stadium, if we are all fed up with what has gone on and the length of time that has elapsed since it was first mentioned how do people think that the Chairman & Vice Chairman feel about the situation? considering the amount of their own money that they have put into the project?

Finally on the question of the season tickets, membership offer etc, people who I know who support soccer and other Rugby teams cannot understand how fans at Salford City Reds can complain over the prices that we are being asked to pay and some have questioned whether our support base is as loyal as we make out.

Some of the negative posters here will just moan about anything in my opinion. But some people on here also lean too much towards the side of the club on certain issues, which probably annoys just as many people as the regular moaners do.

No real solution to it. If there are so many things that people see fit to moan about then it probably reflects the current direction that the club appear to be heading.

What have I done wrong

Out of John Wilkinson's and the other director's pockets.

Good topic Iain.

Trouble with most of the defenders of the club on here is they must live in a big red Salford RLFC/John Wilkinson bubble

It drives me insane when the past failings of the club are totally ignored by some.

I've been a supporter for 30+ years and have attended most events and constantly hear the same old crap year in year out. I'm sure Wilky has got his start/end of season speech on tape, you know the one we've all heard it, for those of you who have only recently being attending I can confirm it was the same in 1982 as it is now.

Dont reply to me with "well what else do you want him to say"? It's pathetic. Same crap with the ground as well, I have a letter from the council here dated 2002 with a planning application on it, its now nearly 2010 and not much has changed by the way of bricks and mortar. For those who say it will be built, you said that in 2002, you said it in 2003, 2004 etc. etc. In fact some of you have been that hoodwinked by the club over past promises and events I wouldn't be surprised if I found out they introduced you to Derren Brown way back when. I've been privvy to other information recently that adds yet more weight in favour that the ground will be built but until I see it going up I won't be writting stupid statements on here to the contrary. I am in favour of the new ground and wish the club all the success in obtaining it.

I want Salford to succeed just as much as anyone but I was born with a gift of common sense and I've learnt not to suffer fools gladly. I'm not stupid to think I know more than anyone else but those who do know me know I have a close relationship to the club, I get told things that maybe I shouldn't and I hear things that others would give their right arm for. To be told things by those 'allegedly in the know'? or those who say "what can I do better" on here the answer is unsurprisingly nothing. I don't have a say in the board room! But to be told I'm a whinger or some other derogatory word get a grip will you. The truth is better than the lies. Like KOTS said "maybe your in the wrong place".

Some of you get too swallowed up by the whole emotional rollercoaster ride of the club and maybe thats fairplay but I prefer to listen to sound reasoned debate than out and out blind loyalty.

I see your point, but I would take a slightly difference stance on it. The responsibility of a business is to its stakeholders, which includes the shareholders and customers (supporters, commercial sponsors et al). In theory they are mutually bound: it doesn't make sense for shareholders to alienate customers because they may stop coming, thus devaluing the shareholding.

So I kind of agree, but I think paying through the gate should entitle you a stake in the club of some variety.

Shame on you for ruining such a brilliant post with utter out and out lies

Great debate & great post showing you will never please everyone, we all have different view, I have found myself reading through the posts actually agreeing with different views expressed.
My beef with the club is the lack of PR & marketing of the club, surely a club with the aspirations of Super league & a new stadium should be putting forward the positive work the club do, just look at our shop, which clearly show how the club is viewed compared to most other super league clubs, very poor & amerteurish.

Overall as a dedicated season ticket holder for more years than I care to remember I actually trust the club to deliver its promise & as long as I have this believe, I personally have a goal.

Finally we need to realise we are in the worst recession we have known. It will be the company's who protect there businesses during this difficult period, who will be in business long term, Salford are no different.

A sporting club should never, ever, be about satisfying shareholders.

Mès que un club.

Probably the best topic for discussion there's been on here for a while.

I think the thread about the new away kits sums it up. Some of us think it's awful, we say so, and people come running to the club's defence, telling us that we're just whinging for the sake of it, the club can't do anything right in our eyes, blah blah. As long as people have a constructive, valid opinion, then surely they shouldn't be derided for that? Even if someone is coming on talking sh*t (the chairman doesn't spend enough money, it's the club's fault the stadium won't happen, they all lied to us, blah blah blah) then the best thing to do is to counter those posts with constructive arguments, rather than sarcastic, patronising posts. And, OK, I may have done one or two of those myself in the past, but just ignore that for now.



Having a negative opinion on something is not illegal. Nor does it mean you are not committed to the club. Nor does it mean that you think the club cannot do anything right at all. It just means you don't like something that has happened. I don't like the shirt. I don't like the brand of rugby we play. I don't like the fact that the draught beer at the Willows is shocking. I don't like the lack of variety in the stuff available in the club shop - especially for those of us who like our merchandise to be a bit more subtle. Does that mean I can't acknowledge the good things that happen at the club? The things they are doing right? The fact that, in a lot of cases, they are clearly trying to make things better? Of course not. It just means I don't like one or two things that go on.

Take, for instance, something that's happened to me this week. I emailed the club on Tuesday night, on the membership email address, asking a couple of questions about the ST/membership order before I finalised everything. I then received a phone call on the Wednesday from someone in the office who said "we notice you've not renewed your season ticket yet." Erm... I emailed the club last night with a couple of questions... He didn't know about that and could only really answer one question properly. I still haven't received a response to the email.

So - the fact that the club are chasing up non-renewals is good. The fact that they're not responding to emails and that there's no communication between departments is bad.

So, maybe the staunch club apologists need to think on slightly before launching an attack on those who 'whinge'.

Sorry but that's just plain wrong (IMHO) - if a business doesn't satisfy its shareholders then it goes out of business - end of!

Now you could well argue that a sporting club is different, and perhaps those owned by supporter's trusts etc ( interesting that your quote is from Barcelona!) are different, but as long as most in the UK are constituted as limited companies, governed by the Companies Act then by law the shareholders are the ultimate arbiters of what the company does and how it is run.

The trick of course, is to marry the shareholder's interests with the fans'! But that's easier said than done.

I am a shareholder and a season ticket holder but out of the two I'd think my season ticket carries more weight (and so it should).

I would argue that [isport[/i in general is different and your basis for the business is incorrect. Shareholders can and do move on when not satisfied but sport has its very own intrinsic value with an intangible product that defies your philosophy.

Anyway get back on topic, this thread is a discussion about people having a whinge and not discussing the politics of business.

Some, including myself, believe without JW we simply wouldn't have a club support (or bemoan, if that's your thing).

Forward thinkers? Shoot them!

Geez, some people really do get [i"swallowed up by the whole emotional rollercoaster ride"[/i don't they?


30+ years of lies and crap? [i"Maybe your in the wrong place"?[/i

As for being hoodwinked - Until we're certain the stadium is NOT going to be built, how exactly have the club deceived me?

When/if the chairman gets to thank Salford fans for their patience and support in the face of many difficulties throughout this project, perhaps you could stand to one side?

Not true! You can have a jolly good rant about it on a web forum...

Ha! I love that last bit!.. 'This is a fans forum for the truth-tellers (moaning-ar$es) - if you don't like it, pi$$ off, you're getting the way of my next grumble'.

I too prefer to listen to reasoned debate - over thoughtless, petty ramblings that serve no purpose other than to appease the contibutor's penchant for whining.

My take on this is simple - Our (apologists and misery ar$es) ambitions for this club will most likely always out-way the reality. That we have in common. It's how we each choose to deal with the disappointments that differs.
The ST, as for as I can see, has just become a dumping ground for cynical observations and people who still, after 6months, can't recognise the Myler sale as a fantastic and necessary bit of business.
(And yes, I understand the irony of whinging at length about people's whinging).

I'm so glad this thread has come along as I've been thinking of responding to this subject for a while now, it's one of the reasons I like others don't bother posting to often nowadays.

I think some posters either are directors or at least think they are, there views however are as see through as the whingers.

I know there a a few on here who are at best well NUTS but I'm absolutely fed up with and find some of the apologists offensive. The nutters have the right to be nuts sometimes there funny/uneducated or just plain daft, but one things for sure and that is someone on here who thinks they are better than cleverer than more loyal than will be hammering them down quicker than Usain Bolt doing the 100 . Anything from condescending sanctimonious bullsh*t to telling other fans where to go and how to get there.

I feel sorry for those whom appear less intelligent and less elequent as they are sleighed at every corner as though they have commited an act of treason, so what if they slate the club there must be some passion there at least enough to be concerned about what does or doesn't go on at the club unlike the other 98% of the Salford public.

There are people on here who would be assured the moon was made from cheese if the club said so and as for you non believers go find another moon >>

Live and let live if you want to be mr positive then be it but don't berate others who incidentially have a view on all things Salford RLFC just not the same view as you !!!!!

I notice the defence is on the whole quiet on this thread maybe a corporate statement is being drafted. Off with there heads ?

The Black Cat wrote: I've been privvy to other information recently that adds yet more weight in favour that the ground will be built but until I see it going up I won't be writting stupid statements on here to the contrary. I am in favour of the new ground and wish the club all the success in obtaining it.

When/if the chairman gets to thank Salford fans for their patience and support in the face of many difficulties throughout this project, perhaps you could stand to one side?

Fu*ckin hell mate you cant blame him for being ed of about the stadium he does have a point just tell me how long its bin going on again he has got evrey right after the amount of false promises we have had on it!!

OK - So whats your plan? Can you find another 3 to take out the 3 in the Boardroom at the moment.

Will your three please Guarantee the clubs Overdarft and introduce sufficient monies to buy the share/loans of the current Directors and then as an extra find another £200k per annum just to balance the books?

So your new theree will have to find about £1.5 million currently. Please would you supply the names and addresses of your new Board and I will forward them to John, Howard and Ian and I am sure they will resign as soon as your new Directors cheques have cleared.

some good posts and some better posts, we all have the freedom of speech to voice our opinions, I have only one small gripe, I like a lot of the stuff the club shop sells, I know its only a small range but I can rarely get anything to fit, a Rugby Club should be looking at its XXXL fans because they would get a lot more cash out of me if they did. On the other hand i have just spent two hours in Manchester in two of the biggest retailers in the country Next and Primark, multi-million pound turnover companies with millions of square footage on our high streets and i couldn't find ONE single Top to fit me, the club have managed this with my "free" shirt last year, so they have done better than the nationals.
As a man with a ST at United and Salford I know which would screw me, ignore me and most likely s41t on me and which owner would make time to talk to me. John has been honest and open as he can be, and his pockets are not as deep as other owners, but I would say without him there would be no Salford to moan about. Just look across town the American gimp has banned ex-players from watching matches, thats how to win friends and influence people not. Nobody is 100% perfect not even me, but when we look at the new ground experience, late Council support, Manchester council objecting credit crunch I just wonder how bad was John in a previous life.

Think I've just received it

Me and my big mouth

At least I was right with the Usain Bolt bit.