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| Rimmer appears to be hell-bent on leading us to this ridiculous set of 10-team leagues. I don't understand why club bosses, certainly in the top flight, would vote for such a thing.
Nobody I've spoken to wants this - more loop fixtures, fewer top flight English clubs. There is as far as I can tell almost zero demand from fans for yet another change to the league structure and especially for this setup. Is anyone out there demanding answers and challenging the RFL and SLE about the plans, representing the fans voice, demanding answers?
When will people like Rimmer ever learn that one of the things that makes fans drift away from the game are constant changes to formats and league structures and an apparent lack of any idea to address the problems we've got other than to shuffle once more the deckchairs on the Titanic.
What can we do to stop this??!!
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| Stop blaming Rimmer - it would seem to be a Super League idea.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"Rimmer appears to be hell-bent on leading us to this ridiculous set of 10-team leagues. When will people like Rimmer ever learn that one of the things that makes fans drift away from the game are constant changes to formats and league structures and an apparent lack of any idea to address the problems we've got other than to shuffle once more the deckchairs on the Titanic.
What can we do to stop this??!!'"
TBF as the poster above says Rimmer isn't in charge albeit he may chair the meetings.
The idea of SL1 and SL2 at ten clubs each is not new, it was voted on about 18 months back and rejected by a large championship club vote.
Not sure at all if it will go to the vote again or be imposed. But don't shoot the messenger.
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| Has it been confirmed that this is even on the cards? All I've seen is speculation, nothing from official sources. Best way the get rid is not turn up to watch it, or just wait a few seasons and it will be dumped for something else anyway, an 8 team top flight for example?!
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Has it been confirmed that this is even on the cards? All I've seen is speculation, nothing from official sources. Best way the get rid is not turn up to watch it, or just wait a few seasons and it will be dumped for something else anyway, an 8 team top flight for example?!'"
if they do we know who suggested it
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Best way the get rid is not turn up to watch it, or just wait a few seasons and it will be dumped for something else anyway, an 8 team top flight for example?!'"
Indeed. And then when/if the fans don’t turn up and sky reduce the money again, we can solve that by cutting 8 teams to 6.
It speaks volumes for the power in the game at the moment that super league gets the majority of the criticism but the championship and league 1 teams will be the ones who suffer the most
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| If it happens it won't last long. Its a terrible idea and it won't take long for another format to be proposed.
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| Rimmer on the bbc podcast was very obviously pushing the 2 x 10. I have no idea why any of the Super League clubs would be interested in such a notion other than slicing the top flight pie amongst fewer clubs, totally the wrong reasoning if the case.
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| If it were happening now, then these are your 2 divisions.
Catalan
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Warrington
Wigan
Leeds
HKR
Castleford
Hull FC
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Wakefield
Salford
Leigh
Toulouse
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Bradford
Whitehaven
London
Widnes
If it is happening at the end of 2022, then it'll make for a interesting battle at the foot of the SL table with essentially the bottom 2 going down, whilst the real battle will be for mid table in the championship. I can't see London making the grade, whilst Newcastle have set their stall out by going full time....if they get their TV deal sorted, Monday nights could be better than SKY with Wigan v Saints IV
The other thing to consider is how promotion and relegation will work between the 2nd tier and those community clubs cast adrift.....the likes of Sheffield, London Skolars.....will there be a pathway for these clubs or is the drawbridge being pulled up? Clubs like Barrow have been fantastic this year....it would be criminal to take away their chance to continue to grow.
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| Looking forward to seeing Saints vs Hull on TV once a month. That’ll fix things.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Looking forward to seeing Saints vs Hull on TV once a month. That’ll fix things.'"
9 home and away against your own division and 5 home and away against the other 10.....never mind Saints v Hull, Saints v Batley will be impressive
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| Quote ="orangeman"If it were happening now, then these are your 2 divisions.
Catalan
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Wigan
Leeds
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Huddersfield
Wakefield
Salford
Leigh
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Bradford
Whitehaven
London
Widnes
If it is happening at the end of 2022, then it'll make for a interesting battle at the foot of the SL table with essentially the bottom 2 going down, whilst the real battle will be for mid table in the championship. I can't see London making the grade, whilst Newcastle have set their stall out by going full time....if they get their TV deal sorted, Monday nights could be better than SKY with Wigan v Saints IV
The other thing to consider is how promotion and relegation will work between the 2nd tier and those community clubs cast adrift.....the likes of Sheffield, London Skolars.....will there be a pathway for these clubs or is the drawbridge being pulled up? Clubs like Barrow have been fantastic this year....it would be criminal to take away their chance to continue to grow.'"
If it goes to 10x10, it will be 3 down and 1 up !
Absolutely no talk of abolishing Promotion.
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| Quote ="Snowy"If it goes to 10x10, it will be 3 down and 1 up ! Absolutely no talk of abolishing Promotion.'"
There can't be any such talk whilst the season is playing out can there?
Once it's all done then the difficult decisions have to be made like who is the third French club to enter the structure.
Back to the real world and 3 down means at this point the resurgent Wakefield Trinity, currently investing what they can smartening up their ground will have to go back to the Championship.
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| For preference I'd see a 14 team SL plus an agreement to punch anyone in the face who bleats "We don't have the number of players". I think there's some mileage in enacting meaningful change with the threat of violence.
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| Quote ="puroresu_boy"If it happens it won't last long. Its a terrible idea and it won't take long for another format to be proposed.'"
Exactly this.
So desperate are we for the proverbial silver bullet, that we keep making ever more desperate changes.
To think that pre SL we had a 16 club top flight which looks like becoming a 10 club top flight (and may include 2 French clubs).
The fans have on numerous occasions been stuffed and the delusional thinking that believes cutting SL further will suddenly have fans flocking back is beyond me.
IF 2 clubs are cast adrift, their support will inevitably drop and whilst the SL average attendance MAY edge upwards, the total numbers watching RL will fall - it's not rocket science
From 16 to 14 to 12 and now to 10 is just ridiculous.
Eventually, if pro RL survives, there will be Leeds, Wigan Wire and Saints left playing amongst themselves and they will sitll be wanting a greater slice of the TV monies. Maybe they could dig up Ted Rogers and have 3,2,1.
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| The silver bullet (or stake though the heart) was the Salary cap.
Since that was introduced the game in this country has been on a terminal decline.
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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"The silver bullet (or stake though the heart) was the Salary cap.
Since that was introduced the game in this country has been on a terminal decline.'"
Disagree.....not all SL clubs are at cap and simply letting a Dr Marwan or that bloke argyle buy trophies would have killed the game.
Lenagan has lost 6,000 fans.... that's £120,000 a game...close to £1,500,000 a year in income and it shows with their current recruitment.
I'd remove the cap.on overseas players and maybe add 2 mill to the cap, but you'll need to find a few more marwans and argyles to fund it...
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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"The silver bullet (or stake though the heart) was the Salary cap.
Since that was introduced the game in this country has been on a terminal decline.'"
I agree…..we’d walk the league without the cap wouldn’t we.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"For preference I'd see a 14 team SL plus an agreement to punch anyone in the face who bleats "We don't have the number of players". '"
Please......when do i sign up and can I pay someone to punch parky/donny......
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Exactly this.
So desperate are we for the proverbial silver bullet, that we keep making ever more desperate changes.
To think that pre SL we had a 16 club top flight which looks like becoming a 10 club top flight (and may include 2 French clubs).
The fans have on numerous occasions been stuffed and the delusional thinking that believes cutting SL further will suddenly have fans flocking back is beyond me.
IF 2 clubs are cast adrift, their support will inevitably drop and whilst the SL average attendance MAY edge upwards, the total numbers watching RL will fall - it's not rocket science
From 16 to 14 to 12 and now to 10 is just ridiculous.
Eventually, if pro RL survives, there will be Leeds, Wigan Wire and Saints left playing amongst themselves and they will sitll be wanting a greater slice of the TV monies. Maybe they could dig up Ted Rogers and have 3,2,1.
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I'd rather have Dusty Bin running the game at the moment !!!
Yes, 10 clubs is not enough in my opinion, and it seems a desperate plight to expand to 20 clubs by default. It would have been far Easier just to have 14 clubs, 26 fixtures, 1 up and 1 down with the 2 promoted clubs growing due to the increased revenue generated by Sky monies and gate receipts.
Id even bin Magic to be honest as this skews relegation and even the premiers and top 6 to be honest, or maybe replace it for a 7's or nines comp.
Championship, 14 team comp too, 1 up. Give the model 3 years and see how it goes. SL needs fresh blood. Fev and Toulouse could give it a good go, and Leigh could consolidate more.
In all, a good post by Wrencat !
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| Quote ="DallasMead2"I agree…..we’d walk the league without the cap wouldn’t we.'"
Nah. The wolfs would still stick to the same business plan. Spend a stupid amount of money on half backs and fill the rest of the team with utter dross
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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"Nah. The wolfs would still stick to the same business plan. Spend a stupid amount of money on half backs and fill the rest of the team with utter dross'"
Psssst... I think you've forgotten that in your latest guise you're supposed to be pretending to be a Wolfs fan yourself.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"Psssst... I think you've forgotten that in your latest guise you're supposed to be pretending to be a Wolfs fan yourself.'"
Don't forget his Orange guise.......................
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Quote ="Snowy" Yes, 10 clubs is not enough in my opinion, and it seems a desperate plight to expand to 20 clubs by default. It would have been far Easier just to have 14 clubs, 26 fixtures, 1 up and 1 down. In all, a good post by Wrencat !'"
Expanding to 20 SL clubs gives the SL bosses control over the game, it leaves only 16 other clubs able to vote against them and so they lose the power they had in numbers when they last voted against SL's idea of 2x10. How many of those clubs will survive in a third tier we don't know?
Nothing easy about going to a 14 club top tier given this means the disaster of reduced funding would be compounded by having to share a vastly reduced money pot share with two more SL1 club mouths to feed.
Then there is the issue of the quality of the games at the bottom of the league, and not enough quality players to stock 14 clubs, we have seen several clubs implode in past years. People point to how well London last did in SL (and forget the time before they could not win a game except against Leeds reserves). My Mate Wrenners may remember Wakefield's terrible season when they were hammered in sixteen consecutive games.
I don't think SL pluck these ideas out of thin air and expect them to work unless Eric Perez..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgXa4Pn_x9Y is going to be the next Superleague CEO
You two would do well to think on what exactly SKY's beef may be, and that is the reducing quality of the product. How do we know that? Because of the reducing level of the SKY TV deal is based on that.
We only exist as a professional game because SKY pay for quality professional RL matches. Those who fund and run the SL clubs and their staff who organise and train the playing pools know full well that they are doing this to fulfill the games life giving SKY contract, and this is not done by watering down the quality across a 14 club Superleague in which the worst 4 clubs would not be even allowed on TV,
Thing is those who provide the TV product deserve to be paid the TV money.
And those who baulk at Saints,v,Wigan or Leeds.v.Hull for the third time may wish to consider how in the past we could have given SKY Warrington 80 Wakefield 0, or Widnes 64 London 10. We need to think of what the game needs to do best for survival, and two tens is clearly that.....
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Expanding to 20 SL clubs gives the SL bosses control over the game, it leaves only 16 other clubs able to vote against them and so they lose the power they had in numbers when they last voted against SL's idea of 2x10. How many of those clubs will survive in a third tier we don't know?
Nothing easy about going to a 14 club top tier given this means the disaster of reduced funding would be compounded by having to share a vastly reduced money pot share with two more SL1 club mouths to feed.
Then there is the issue of the quality of the games at the bottom of the league, and not enough quality players to stock 14 clubs, we have seen several clubs implode in past years. People point to how well London last did in SL (and forget the time before they could not win a game except against Leeds reserves). My Mate Wrenners may remember Wakefield's terrible season when they were hammered in sixteen consecutive games.
I don't think SL pluck these ideas out of thin air and expect them to work unless Eric Perez..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgXa4Pn_x9Y is going to be the next Superleague CEO
You two would do well to think on what exactly SKY's beef may be, and that is the reducing quality of the product. How do we know that? Because of the reducing level of the SKY TV deal is based on that.
We only exist as a professional game because SKY pay for quality professional RL matches. Those who fund and run the SL clubs and their staff who organise and train the playing pools know full well that they are doing this to fulfill the games life giving SKY contract, and this is not done by watering down the quality across a 14 club Superleague in which the worst 4 clubs would not be even allowed on TV,
Thing is those who provide the TV product deserve to be paid the TV money.
And those who baulk at Saints,v,Wigan or Leeds.v.Hull for the third time may wish to consider how in the past we could have given SKY Warrington 80 Wakefield 0, or Widnes 64 London 10. We need to think of what the game needs to do best for survival, and two tens is clearly that.....
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Quote ="Donnyman"Expanding to 20 SL clubs gives the SL bosses control over the game, it leaves only 16 other clubs able to vote against them and so they lose the power they had in numbers when they last voted against SL's idea of 2x10. How many of those clubs will survive in a third tier we don't know?
Nothing easy about going to a 14 club top tier given this means the disaster of reduced funding would be compounded by having to share a vastly reduced money pot share with two more SL1 club mouths to feed.
Then there is the issue of the quality of the games at the bottom of the league, and not enough quality players to stock 14 clubs, we have seen several clubs implode in past years. People point to how well London last did in SL (and forget the time before they could not win a game except against Leeds reserves). My Mate Wrenners may remember Wakefield's terrible season when they were hammered in sixteen consecutive games.
I don't think SL pluck these ideas out of thin air and expect them to work unless Eric Perez..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgXa4Pn_x9Y is going to be the next Superleague CEO
You two would do well to think on what exactly SKY's beef may be, and that is the reducing quality of the product. How do we know that? Because of the reducing level of the SKY TV deal is based on that.
We only exist as a professional game because SKY pay for quality professional RL matches. Those who fund and run the SL clubs and their staff who organise and train the playing pools know full well that they are doing this to fulfill the games life giving SKY contract, and this is not done by watering down the quality across a 14 club Superleague in which the worst 4 clubs would not be even allowed on TV,
Thing is those who provide the TV product deserve to be paid the TV money.
And those who baulk at Saints,v,Wigan or Leeds.v.Hull for the third time may wish to consider how in the past we could have given SKY Warrington 80 Wakefield 0, or Widnes 64 London 10. We need to think of what the game needs to do best for survival, and two tens is clearly that.....'"
Indeed SKY require quality. What do SL require? Possibly the means to support what SKY want! I apologise I keep using the abbreviation SL as in Super League. Then again we could call it “Doomer League”as it would still retain the same menacing individuals of why the sport is where it’s at.
The sport requires TV broadcasting! Simple. Not at all why,the game still has the same head hunters in it.
Why does the sport take so long to make a decision? That’s because they can’t think for themselves. They have to pass it on to someone they employ. They then get told by that employee or independent person how much it will cost their own club to make change.
That’s the downfall that is killing the game. Not one Chairman can make a decision without consulting with others first.
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Nothing easy about going to a 14 club top tier given this means the disaster of reduced funding would be compounded by having to share a vastly reduced money pot share with two more SL1 club mouths to feed.
Then there is the issue of the quality of the games at the bottom of the league, and not enough quality players to stock 14 clubs, we have seen several clubs implode in past years. People point to how well London last did in SL (and forget the time before they could not win a game except against Leeds reserves). My Mate Wrenners may remember Wakefield's terrible season when they were hammered in sixteen consecutive games.
I don't think SL pluck these ideas out of thin air and expect them to work unless Eric Perez..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgXa4Pn_x9Y is going to be the next Superleague CEO
You two would do well to think on what exactly SKY's beef may be, and that is the reducing quality of the product. How do we know that? Because of the reducing level of the SKY TV deal is based on that.
We only exist as a professional game because SKY pay for quality professional RL matches. Those who fund and run the SL clubs and their staff who organise and train the playing pools know full well that they are doing this to fulfill the games life giving SKY contract, and this is not done by watering down the quality across a 14 club Superleague in which the worst 4 clubs would not be even allowed on TV,
Thing is those who provide the TV product deserve to be paid the TV money.
And those who baulk at Saints,v,Wigan or Leeds.v.Hull for the third time may wish to consider how in the past we could have given SKY Warrington 80 Wakefield 0, or Widnes 64 London 10. We need to think of what the game needs to do best for survival, and two tens is clearly that.....'"
Indeed SKY require quality. What do SL require? Possibly the means to support what SKY want! I apologise I keep using the abbreviation SL as in Super League. Then again we could call it “Doomer League”as it would still retain the same menacing individuals of why the sport is where it’s at.
The sport requires TV broadcasting! Simple. Not at all why,the game still has the same head hunters in it.
Why does the sport take so long to make a decision? That’s because they can’t think for themselves. They have to pass it on to someone they employ. They then get told by that employee or independent person how much it will cost their own club to make change.
That’s the downfall that is killing the game. Not one Chairman can make a decision without consulting with others first.
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